Carwyn Jones: On a point of order—
Carwyn Jones: Will you take an intervention?
Carwyn Jones: Then, why—[Inaudible.]—for English?
Carwyn Jones: I'm grateful to the Member. It will surprise him, no doubt, that I'm about to agree with him, as somebody who worked in the criminal justice system for a long time. When I was in practice in the early 1990s towards 2000, we used to look at other countries where people had no access to legal advice and be appalled that they would be representing themselves in quite serious matters in court...
Carwyn Jones: He's mentioned Cardiff Airport. The mayor of Tees valley, who is a Conservative, has made great play of the fact that he has bought what is now Teeside International Airport, intends to invest in it and has said that it's a public asset. If it's the case that the Conservative mayor there can praise public ownership of an airport, why can't the Welsh Conservatives do the same?
Carwyn Jones: Will you take an intervention?
Carwyn Jones: Thank you, First Minister. Can I congratulate the Government on the success of the reformed support packages for higher education? In particular, of course, we see an increase of more than 1,500 students who are now studying at postgrad level, and that shows that we continue in Wales to produce graduates of the highest calibre, and of course they contribute so much to us having a high-skills...
Carwyn Jones: 1. Will the First Minister make a statement on the reforms to university student support? OAQ55044
Carwyn Jones: But there is no 200-mile—it doesn't exist as far as the UK is concerned. How can it? You've got Ireland on one side; you have the Scandinavian countries on the other; France is 20 miles away from the UK. So, the 200-mile limit exists as part of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea from 1982, but only if there's no other country in the way, and the UK is hemmed in. And, of...
Carwyn Jones: I rise as somebody who had six years as a fisheries Minister, and who agrees wholeheartedly that the common fisheries policy is a disaster. It's encouraged over-fishing, encouraged mechanised forms of fishing that have literally dredged sea beds of their life and is still a problem now. So, I shed no tears for the common fisheries policy, but I think it is important that we are realistic...
Carwyn Jones: I do apologise, I know that the Member is early in his contribution. The 200-mile limit doesn't exist. It only exists tangentially in two places—in a north-westerly direction towards Rockall and south-westerly from the Isles of Scilly. The reason why the 200-mile limit doesn't exist for the UK is because there are other countries in the way.
Carwyn Jones: I am grateful to the Member for giving way, despite the urgings of others in her party. She quoted Winston Churchill. Does she also agree with what he said on 19 September 1946 in Zurich when he called for a united states of Europe?
Carwyn Jones: I thank the Member for giving way. Does he share my sadness that UK citizens will now be only able to live and work in two countries—the UK and the Republic of Ireland—whereas EU citizens will be able to work in 28 countries and Irish citizens will be able to work in 29 countries, such as my wife and two children? And isn't it sad to see that, and isn't it the case that, in fact, those...
Carwyn Jones: I am grateful to the Minister for allowing me in at this late stage. In watching this debate, I heard the word 'indigenous' used. I don’t know what 'indigenous' means, because every single person in this Chamber is the descendent of an immigrant. It's simply a question of when our families came. Would you agree with me that when the word 'indigenous' is used, it is capable of being used in...
Carwyn Jones: I do thank the Member for taking a second intervention. I accept his point about accepting the result of the referendum in 2016. Will he then accept the result of the referendums in 1997 and 2011?
Carwyn Jones: You can't have popular sovereignty and parliamentary sovereignty. You're now arguing that parliamentary sovereignty doesn't actually exist.
Carwyn Jones: What David Melding refers to is correct: in 1689, the Earl of Shaftesbury said that the English Parliament was sovereign; but the English Parliament doesn't exist anymore. The English Parliament disappeared in 1707, as did the Scottish Parliament. The Parliament of the United Kingdom: there is no law at all that says that that is sovereign. The reason why that's important is because in...
Carwyn Jones: Of course I will.
Carwyn Jones: I don't intend to spend much time talking about the issues that other Members have talked about; I've waxed lyrical or gratingly on them, according to your point of view, over the past year and a half. But two points I did want to make, and that is that the people of Wales did not vote for the Conservatives and they did not vote for a Conservative Government. Let's be clear about that. I...
Carwyn Jones: Thank you. I am very grateful to the Member for allowing me to intervene. What advice would he give to those of us who are exceptionally concerned about clause 38(1), and particularly the effect that that will have if that were to become law?
