Carwyn Jones: Yes, absolutely, but they're not listening, are they? I went to visit people who were homeless before Christmas, and I'd advise the Conservatives to do the same; perhaps they might learn something. But the reality is that they are indifferent to the suffering of people who are homeless. They are indifferent to the problem of rough-sleeping. The leader of the opposition sits there, from his...
Carwyn Jones: I've repeatedly and consistently raised with the Prime Minister and other UK Government Ministers the potential serious economic harm to Wales arising from Brexit, and that includes highlighting the analysis that we published in our 'Securing Wales' Future' White Paper last year, and our recent trade policy document.
Carwyn Jones: We will lose jobs and incomes will decline. I can't understand why the UK Government has been so secretive about these analyses and not shared them more widely with people. It doesn't sound to me like a great deal of transparency, certainly, is exercised by the UK Government in Whitehall. Can I say—? The one thing that we are lacking here is that there are those who say that we would be...
Carwyn Jones: Well, of course, we have the Wales Centre for Public Policy, but also we're looking to increase the number of offices in key markets abroad, working, of course, with the appropriate UK Government departments, and that is something that we are doing in the course of this year. We find that they are exceptionally important in terms of sourcing potential investment and sourcing potential markets...
Carwyn Jones: Well, I'm not responsible for what happens in London. I have discussed this in detail with Keir Starmer and, of course, I know that the Labour Party's policy changes according to the circumstances. But may I say that, as far as we are concerned, the best way for Wales to ensure that we have a prosperous economic future is to remain in the customs union and in the single market?
Carwyn Jones: I should have welcomed our new Member as well—our youngest Member. I've done it personally, and I join the leader of the opposition in doing that. Can I say that the health Secretary has made it clear to the Hywel Dda board that the level of deficit is unacceptable? He's also been clear that difficult decisions are needed to ensure the future sustainability of health services in Hywel Dda....
Carwyn Jones: I should have clarified that we are confident that the health budget will still balance overall, rather than the health board budget—just to make that clear. Look, all health boards across Wales have a duty to ensure safe and sustainable services. That means that they have to put forward suggestions for how that is to be done. I appeal to Members not to just oppose any changes as they...
Carwyn Jones: First, he's not correct in terms of what he's quoted the Minister as saying. Secondly, the health board has published a consultation, which contains various options—difficult, some of them; there is no question about that. But it's the health board's responsibility to come forward with proposals, and that's exactly what it has done. I have to say to the leader of the opposition: we have...
Carwyn Jones: On the swift change, that is a matter, of course, for the UK Government, but we would urge them to follow the recommendations in the report. We've tended to focus on what this would mean for the courts, the probation service and also, of course, the issue of the jurisdiction, which has been well debated in this Chamber. But, of course, if we look at the justice system, we have to develop a...
Carwyn Jones: I'm not familiar with the case, but I will look at it and write back. I think that’s the proper way to deal with what the leader of Plaid Cymru has asked for. We are in agreement a lot this afternoon. I couldn’t agree more with what she said. Why would you take a service that is designed to rehabilitate offenders and try and make a profit out of it? There is no sense in that, and I...
Carwyn Jones: We have had questions of the Ministry of Justice that have not yet been satisfactorily answered. We have taken no decision on the sale of the land. I know of the representations that have been made. In some ways, the issue is bound up with the commission for justice, in the sense of what should a Welsh penal policy, or a Welsh sentencing policy as well, look like in the future. It's right...
Carwyn Jones: Well, funding it, and at a level higher than England. That's what happens with the health service in Wales, making sure that the money is available for health and social care. We're seeing social care collapsing in England. We're seeing councils—Tory councils—declaring themselves bankrupt in England. So, making sure the money is there. Yes, there are challenges, and we know that, and...
Carwyn Jones: Well, I can say the Cabinet Secretary has increased the oversight from us on actions to reduce the forecast in terms of the finances, and to ensure that 'services and patients are not adversely affected by the need to improve financial management'. We have said that. We expect the financial recovery actions to result in the health board meeting the revised forecast to the end of this year. We...
Carwyn Jones: That is a wholly outrageous comment. Let me just educate him a little so he looks beyond his own nose. The third world is an old-fashioned and discriminatory description anyway. We talk of the developing world these days. Let me tell you, there was a hospital in Uganda in Mbale serving several million people—it had seven consultants serving all those people. You could have an endoscopy...
Carwyn Jones: For decades, EU policy frameworks have shaped the management of our land, underpinned patterns of food production, and supported farm incomes. Post Brexit, our primary producers will be more exposed to global markets and there will be greater friction in trading systems with significant negative consequences, for the sheep meat sector in particular.
Carwyn Jones: Well, I'm sure the leader of the Welsh Conservatives would agree with every word that the UKIP Member has said—[Interruption.] I doubt that somehow. CAP has been the method by which we have ensured that farmers are able to survive. It has supported farmers and supported rural economies and their social, cultural, environmental and linguistic development for many, many years. Is he now...
Carwyn Jones: Cheap food is code for undermining British farming. That's what it means, because if you're not prepared to support the farming industry, not even with tariffs, then you end up with the cheapest imports coming in and wiping out our farming industry. That's what will happen. It's simple economics and something that has not been properly explained by those who say, 'We'll just have cheap food...
Carwyn Jones: That is right. There is a question with regard to what will happen to PGI and PDO, and whether there will be a British system. Will that system be on the same terms as the European system, and will it be recognised as such? It's important that we can ensure that we protect the fact that we have lamb, for example, of the highest standard. Welsh lamb is accepted in markets across the world,...
Carwyn Jones: We are pressing the United Kingdom Government to ensure that Welsh ports, including Holyhead, will not be disadvantaged following Brexit. I discussed this with businesses in Ireland yesterday. It’s crucial that products and goods can be moved just as swiftly and seamlessly as before, and that the tariff arrangements must continue.
Carwyn Jones: There are two points there. One of the things that I was told yesterday is that it’s vital, of course, that there is no kind of delay in Holyhead, Pembroke Dock or Fishguard, but that it's also vital that we want to ensure that Dover also moves as swiftly, because so many goods go through Wales and England, and then to France from Dover, and the danger is that there will be a slow-down in...
