Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Move.
Angela Burns: The Welsh Conservatives support all of these amendments, and Rhun ap Iorwerth very neatly took my words, which were: if we don't have a definition of what quality is on the Bill in all the areas, then what is the point of the legislation? If they're already doing it, if the health boards are already doing it, then we don't need the legislation. With the previous set of amendments that I...
Angela Burns: Yes.
Angela Burns: Diolch, Llywydd. I guess your answer's no real surprise, Minister, to any of us who believe really passionately that, to have a duty of quality, you need to have the right staff in the right place at the right time. And I think to those of us who've seen over the last few years again and again the instances where there haven't been enough staff and they haven't been in the right place and...
Angela Burns: Thank you, Presiding Officer. I formally table the amendments here in my name. I would like to, at the outset, Minister, say that these are by way of probing amendments. You do have the opportunity, by your response, to ensure that we don't have to spend time in voting from 21 to 34. These amendments have been retabled by us from Stage 2. They were previously tabled as a mix from Helen Mary...
Angela Burns: Thank you very much for your statement, Minister, and for keeping me, on behalf of the Welsh Conservatives, so well briefed during this situation. Just going through your statement, I have a number of questions. Are you able to confirm to us the level of seniority that the members of the NHS Wales and social services planning and response teams will be—in other words, that they've got the...
Angela Burns: I'm sorry, would you take an intervention?
Angela Burns: Well, I was just going to say that I can partly answer that for you, because it's deemed, to be frank, second-class citizenship, because there is no other alternative. There's nothing in England that they can go to, and I've met some great people who are very well aware that the settings are not appropriate, like the ones you've just mentioned, but they have no other alternative, because we...
Angela Burns: Minister, will you take an intervention?
Angela Burns: Sorry, just to illustrate your point because, yes, there is the Caswell Clinic but, actually, they're full already with people. We've got 61 people at my last count, which wasn't very long ago, in England. For example, one of my constituents, because the ward that that person is on is under threat of closure, is now being threatened with a move to Stevenage. To be honest with you, I'm not...
Angela Burns: Thank you very much. I just wanted to let the Chamber know that I had a meeting with Healthcare Inspectorate Wales on this issue, with the head, and she was quite clear about the difficulties—the legislative and practical difficulties—of monitoring a placement in England from a Welsh organisation.
Angela Burns: So you're already a vulnerable person and you're put into a place that makes you even more vulnerable. A lot is made of the fact that we don't have the capacity here in Wales, and we don't, but when you're away, everybody needs family or friends, or an anchor. That anchor is so important. It is the way you find your way back to good health. If your anchor is 200 miles away or 300 miles away...
Angela Burns: Thank you very much, acting Deputy Presiding Officer. I am going to talk at speed, because I have a lot to say on this subject and I've only got three minutes. First of all, I'm not going to let you get away with your cheeky little comment there, Rhun ap Iorwerth. You know that these benches care a lot about this, because I have been very vocal on this subject, and I'm very glad that the...
Angela Burns: Thank you very much indeed, acting Deputy Presiding Officer. And Bethan Sayed, I'd like to give you fair warning that, if you think that once your little bundle of joy has disappeared—been delivered—you're going to have less to do, you are sadly mistaken. [Laughter.] But it is going to be a great ride, and I wish you all the well. We on the Welsh Conservatives benches would like to thank...
Angela Burns: Will you take an intervention?
Angela Burns: I appreciate your intervention, Caroline Jones, and I take your point, and I just want to add that, actually, the other thing that happens is that a looked-after child is finally adopted, that support disappears, and then it leads to complete adoption breakdown. I know in my own constituency I have dealt with complete adoption breakdowns at least half a dozen times, and they are truly...
Angela Burns: Minister, you have referenced the earlier question to Caroline Jones, when she was talking about single-person homes being built, and, of course, you've just talked about the affordable housing grant, but can you please tell me how this will reflect with people who live with disabilities and who are carers? I have a case in Carmarthenshire where the person is in a wheelchair—she's been in a...
