Angela Burns: Thank you very much to Plaid Cymru for bringing this forward. This element of the Bill is really important. I have a stand at the moment to abstain, and the reason for this is because I want to hear what the Minister is going to say in response to you. I agree, it is vitally important to create a register of managers. It's vitally important to have sanctions and measurability on it to make...
Angela Burns: Thank you for that. Some of the words that I find the most slippery are words like 'intend' and 'expect', because they don't actually tell you when you're going to do something and how you're going to do it. So, let me just remind Members: in July 2013—we're now in 2020—so, seven years ago, the Welsh Government said it would work to publish—in fact, you didn't just say it, you announced...
Angela Burns: Thank you, Presiding Officer. I've been an Assembly Member for about 10 years now, and I've sat on a whole variety of committees—finance, health, education, children and young people, as it was—and all the time we talk about 'How do we know?' How do we know that we're performing well? How do we know that we're meeting our targets? How do we know we're delivering the outcomes for the money...
Angela Burns: Absolutely. Of course I will.
Angela Burns: I don't think I need to say any more, Llywydd, because I think Helen Mary has absolutely encapsulated my entire feeling on it, which is why we brought this amendment. We've got to up our game. The whole point of this legislation is about us upping our game, and making sure that those who run our health boards, the management teams, really make sure that providing quality care to our NHS...
Angela Burns: Thank you, Llywydd. Failure to comply with the duty to secure quality in health services—you're absolutely right; it does say that 'sections 12A, 20A and 24A, they may make an intervention order in respect of the body.' However, you've made escalation orders across our health boards because of failures in quality of care: Tawel Fan, Cwm Taf to name but two; there are other— smaller,...
Angela Burns: Thank you, Presiding Officer. I formally move amendment 35, tabled in my name. Members, I want teeth, not for me but for the NHS, and amendment 35 is tabled in support of committee recommendation 6, which asks the Minister to make a specific provision for the consequences of non-compliance with the duty of quality. I've re-tabled this from Stage 2 because, actually, I think it's vitally...
Angela Burns: Formally, Llywydd.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally, Llywydd.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Formally.
Angela Burns: Thank you very much—
Angela Burns: Sorry, I beg your pardon. I move. My listening Welsh isn't as good as I think it is. [Laughter.]
Angela Burns: Thank you very much indeed. It's sufficient to say that there are two words that bring joy to my heart. Caroline, you mentioned 'consistency', that's what we need; Minister, 'evidence', that's what we need. Thank you very much for supporting the amendments.
Angela Burns: Diolch. I formally move the amendments tabled in my name. The point of these amendments is to give the Welsh Ministers the duty to secure quality in health services through the guidance principle. They seek to support recommendation 2 of the committee, which requests that the Minister issues statutory guidance. In Stage 1 evidence, stakeholders highlighted that the Bill was simply not strong...
