6. 5. Statement: Apprenticeships in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:17 pm on 14 June 2016.

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Photo of Julie James Julie James Labour 4:17, 14 June 2016

Thank you for those questions. On that last one, I’m not going to agree to review the sustainability formula because we think it works extremely well and is one of the reasons that the programme has been so successful. However, the Member has correctly identified—and I remember the letter very well—that occasionally we have decisions that are not in line with the formula and, on review there, we have examples where companies should’ve been allowed to take a Jobs Growth Wales applicant and, indeed, in the instance that the Member outlines, the review was successful and the company was allowed to go ahead.

However, I don’t think that the odd occasion where the formula hasn’t been correctly applied in the first instance is a good reason to review the formula overall. One of the reasons that the scheme has been so successful—and we are looking forward to the final evaluation of it coming in very shortly; I hope before the summer recess—is that businesses have to demonstrate an ability to maintain people in that job and to grow themselves in line with the Welsh Government investment in the wage subsidy that the Jobs Growth Wales scheme represents. It isn’t a revolving door to take on more and more youngsters and give them unsustainable employment. So, I’m very pleased with the way the scheme works; I look forward to the final evaluation. But I accept that, in some instances, it does need review and, as you saw, we’re very happy to do that review.

In terms of girls in non-traditional sectors, the Member will know that this is a hobby horse of mine as well; I’ve spoken many times in this Chamber on it. In fact, over the next few weeks, I’m visiting a number of workplaces to talk about that alongside ICE, the Institution of Civil Engineers, for example, which are holding a number of events and so on. The Member will also know that we fund Chwarae Teg to do a programme around getting girls into non-traditional industries and promote it in businesses where there are gender imbalances. And, indeed, we have a similar problem in health and social care where the gender balance is the other way around, and we’d like to see more male entrants into some areas of that economy and we’re working very hard to make sure that those opportunities are open to all.

In terms of the all-age point, as the Member heard when I made my statement, we are, of course, committed to an all-age apprenticeship scheme. We recognise that age is not the only reason that you should go on to an apprenticeship scheme. However, we are still targeting 16 to 19-year-olds coming out of school to get into those schemes and we have targets for people wanting to change jobs and people returning to work. The reason for this is that we want to look very carefully at employers who want to place existing employees on schemes that they call apprenticeships, so that we can be sure that they are, in fact, apprenticeships and not a relabeling of an existing training scheme. I think the Member will appreciate why we want to make that distinction. This is about getting people into the workforce and getting people properly trained when in the workforce; it isn’t about labelling something to get a badge for it.

I think, in terms of the ties, what we’re talking about in terms of the regional skills partnerships is very much about bringing education, employers and business communities together. We also run a scheme with help supported by businesses in the community. We’ve run a very successful pilot of that down in Carmarthenshire—I know some Members are familiar with it—and we are looking to roll that out in more areas of the country as rapidly as we can. That scheme is to get good-quality work experience out there.

I would make a plea to the Member and, indeed, everybody else present in the Chamber today and say this: many employers tell me—in fact a very large percentage of employers, according to the UK Commission for Employment and Skills survey, say—that they’d be more inclined to take a person on as a new entrant to their firm if they had good work experience, but a very large number of those people who say that don’t actually provide work experience. So, if you have firms of that sort in your constituencies and regions, I urge you to encourage them to join our work experience schemes and to give that experience to a wider range of young people.