Well, the reality is that the EU and the US are large trading blocks. The UK is much, much smaller. It comes down to how much muscle you have in the market at the end of the day. She and I are in the same position—we would not want to see any kind of privatisation in the NHS. Frankly, I see the figures in the ‘leave’ campaign—Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Nigel Farage—and I do not trust them with the future of our NHS. I do not trust them with the future of a publicly funded, publicly available NHS, and, from my perspective, I’m glad that the health service is devolved so that they can’t get their hands on the Welsh NHS. That’s hugely important. But, no, she and I, I am sure, will share some scepticism that the people who front that campaign have suddenly become converted to the virtues of the power of the state to ensure the welfare of its people.