I thank Mark Isherwood for his question. I can’t comment on the former Minister’s decisions and his evidence in committee stage. What I can do is certainly update Members, which I’m hoping to do today, in terms of where we’re taking forward the Bill and the concepts behind that and the implementation, which I think is a very important part of that. The Member is right to raise the issue of statutory guidance. The previous Minister may have said that it can drive forward change; my assumption will be that it will drive forward change, and I will be making sure that’s very clear in statutory guidance that will be issued around the training for certain members of staff and governors of boards.

I’ve already started early discussions with Kirsty Williams regarding the Donaldson review and recommendations around that, because my own view is that healthy relationships and the teaching of healthy relationships isn’t optional for schools. This should be what we should be doing from a very early age. I met, and I suppose the Member has also met, with many schools in affluent areas—may we say—that don’t believe there is an issue with domestic violence in their community at all. Well, it’s complete nonsense. There is domestic violence prevalent in all our communities. It’s not class based and it can happen to anybody. That’s why, I think, healthy relationships across the whole sector, of all our schools, is not optional. I’m very grateful for the work, already, that Kirsty Williams is helping us develop in terms of training. I will come back to the Chamber with more detail when we have that.

Perpetrator programmes—it is early days for this. I’ve got evidence to see how they are effective. But I really am impressed by the work of Alun Michael, working with other police commissioners from England, actually, where there are three police authorities practising the ‘Drive’ campaign, it’s called, working with perpetrators at very high incidence rates. They are already seeing some great turn-around where perpetrators sometimes don’t realise they are actually having an effect on their partners in any way.

Mark Isherwood raises a very important point, which is again close to my heart. It is about actually talking to people who have experienced this. Forget the—I think we should use the work of academics and the civil service, who have a great knowledge of this; but the real people that know about this are the people who have been affected by that. People like a good friend of mine, Rachel Court, or Rachel Williams, who was shot in Newport by her late husband, and then she lost, within weeks, her own son too. She can tell you a very dramatic story about how it affected her and her family. Now, she sees herself on a mission as a survivor on how she can help people deal with these issues. I want to listen to people like Rachel so that we can develop Government policy that will have a real meaning to real people.