7. 7. UKIP Wales Debate: The European Union

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:35 pm on 22 June 2016.

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Photo of Lee Waters Lee Waters Labour 5:35, 22 June 2016

I appreciate he’s new to these parts, but Ford does not have a plant in Llanelli, and the forces you describe are global forces—global forces we are better equipped to deal with by being part of a strong trading bloc.

So, the disingenuous pledges of the ‘leave’ campaign of what they’d do with a supposed mountain of money are not worth the paper they are written on.

So, it brings me to the second of the arguments we’ve heard here from the right, and that’s not that the EU has secured peace in Europe over the last 70 years, but our membership of NATO. And, of course, the promise of American military protection has been crucial during the cold war, but peace is more than just the absence of war. Three generations of peace are built upon layers of confidence and understanding between peoples and crucially—crucially—the institutions to resolve differences. For my holiday reading I made my way through Christopher Clark’s mighty history of the run-up to the first world war, ‘The Sleepwalkers’. He points out that one of the reasons the economic turmoil of the eurozone crisis did not result in fighting, while the events of 1914 did, was the existence of powerful supranational institutions. I’m proud that, by being part of the EU, we have played a role in an alliance that has brought stability and prosperity to a continent with a history of instability. None of this is an accident. It’s the result of patient and painful integration: economic, democratic and, yes, bureaucratic. But give me directives over demagoguery any day.