Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 2:34 pm on 28 June 2016.
Last Thursday’s vote gives us something that I would have thought Plaid Cymru would welcome—it’s called national independence; they seem to be somewhat afraid of this. But, now we have the opportunity to make decisions for ourselves. The EU funding that has been referred to so many times in this Chamber today can now be returned to us, whether it be to the Parliament of Westminster or this Assembly in Cardiff. And, it’s our priorities, not the priorities of the European Commission, which will matter. And we are accountable, as are Members of Parliament, to the electorates of the various parts of the United Kingdom, and we will answer for our decisions at the ballot box, and that is how it should be.
I’ve always said that this debate about the European Union was not about nationalism, but about democracy. I approve and applaud the spirit in which the First Minister made his statement a moment ago, which concentrated on being outward looking and forward looking in Wales, and not using the language such as we’ve just heard from the leader of Plaid Cymru about how Brexit is a poisoned chalice. It’s a great opportunity for Wales to advertise itself in the world, and its own natural abilities and entrepreneurship can be given full vent.
Yes, it is true there are uncertainties as a result of the vote last Thursday, in the same way as there were uncertainties when we joined the European Union, or the Common Market, as it then was, on 1 January 1973. There will be consequential changes, there’s absolutely no doubt about that. But what an opportunity there is. Why would the European Union want to raise trade barriers against the United Kingdom when we have £100 billion a year trade deficit with them, when, with the car trade in Germany alone, we have an £11 billion a year trade deficit? The car manufacturers of Germany are not going to want to see 10 per cent tariffs on trade between us because they will come off very much the worse for wear as a result of that. We have a £10 billion deficit on food, for example, in this country, compared with the rest of the European Union. So Britain’s farmers, again, should have no cause to fear for the consequences of last Thursday’s vote.
But, it does give us the opportunity, as I said in my questions to the First Minister earlier on, to devise policies that suit our own farmers now in Wales, and other industries as well. As regards steel, for example, we now have the opportunity to resume our place on the World Trade Organization board, and we then have the freedom to introduce tariffs, in the same way as the United States, on cold-rolled steel.
I’m not sure whether it’s possible to give way—