Yes, I quite agree with you, Lee. In fact, I was listening to Dai Lloyd’s comments earlier, and Dai was talking about shortages across the board. You mentioned the shortage of therapists, and it struck me as you were speaking, Dai, that yes, there is a shortage of therapists, and I wonder whether this is an area that the Welsh Government could look at in terms of campaigning to recruit therapists, because a number of therapists that I’ve spoken to have said that they only found themselves going into that line of work accidentally after they were told, ‘You would be good at doing this’. They would never have thought of it before. So, I think that there’s an area—. This isn’t about money; this is about actually persuading people that they would be good at doing an area like that. So, I think this an area that the Welsh Government really could make some headway in. There are problems here across the rest of the UK as well, so if you really want to make a mark, Cabinet Secretary, then please look at recruitment of therapists and how you can campaign to get those into that job.

I was recently asked to host an event in my home village of Raglan on behalf of Time to Change Wales, the first national campaign to end the stigma and discrimination faced by people with mental health problems. I became aware of the existence of this group—going back to knowledge of these groups—purely through bumping into one of their champions, Bev Jones, who happened to live in my village. I bumped into her in the street, and through subsequent meetings we bonded, became friends, and she really raised the profile to me of the campaign Time to Change Wales, and indeed mental health issues in general, which I wouldn’t have been aware of before. It struck me how much we rely on people within this field, and often through accidental meetings, to increase our knowledge of what’s going on out there, which in our job as Assembly Members is vital to being able to help other people and to direct them on the right pathways.

As the Time to Change Wales website says, the campaign is needed because although mental health problems are very common, it can still be a taboo subject. Time to Change wants to improve knowledge and understanding about mental illness and, most importantly, to get people talking about mental health. This campaign, one of a number, is an example of how far we have come over the last few years, and how across Wales there are organisations and groups of volunteers who, through their hard work and dedication, are helping to deliver on the aims of ‘Together for Mental Health’.

A final few words on the development of Wales as a dementia-friendly nation. This topic was broadly covered in Lynne Neagle’s comments earlier. Again, I’m lucky; my home village of Raglan in Monmouthshire has helped lead the way in this field—don’t get the idea that everything is going on in my village, but a lot is—with the designation of, initially, the Raglan project a couple of years ago, and that’s morphed now into the wider Monmouthshire project, and that is reliant on local networks, local people. I know Mark Drakeford, in your previous role as Minister for health, in fact, visited that project in its early days. You would have seen how local volunteers are helping to deliver on the Government’s aims and are complementing the mainstream health channels to do that. Local people looking after each other in the first instance. It’s a great example of how community can work, with community looking out for community, people looking out for people.

There is a lot of good practice out there, in conclusion. Some of it is due to the actions of Government, some is in spite of the actions of Government, and that’s, of course, the UK not just here. Let’s keep the pressure up for some real change in mental health provision so that people across Wales are able to access the best services at the times in their lives that they need it most.