5. 3. Statement: EU Transition

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:11 pm on 13 September 2016.

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Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour 4:11, 13 September 2016

There’s no barrier to expressing different opinions; I’ve already done that on many, many occasions, so I can assure the Member that is the case. In terms of the four nations, what isn’t possible—certainly the indications show it—is that there is any way in which, for example, Scotland can have a different relationship with the EU whilst being outside it compared to the UK as a whole. The Scottish Government’s view is that independence is still in play. There is an argument for saying, if Scotland were to vote for independence within the two-year period following the triggering of article 50, that Scotland would simply continue with the UK’s membership. It wouldn’t have to reapply nor join the eurozone. I’ll leave that to constitutional lawyers, whose company I’ve enjoyed greatly over the past few years. But as soon as Scotland leaves, the re-entry into the EU, were Scotland to be an independent state, would be on the basis of joining the eurozone—there have been no exceptions.

In terms of where we go next, like me he has to accept the result of the referendum. There’s no point pretending that the vote went a different way, and I’m fully aware, as he is, that many people said on the doorstep, ‘We don’t like the free movement of people’, and so we have to accept that that is the way people feel at the moment. In the same way, I don’t think it would be useful for us to be in a position where we had to implement EU directives without any kind of say over them, which makes it difficult, looking at the EEA model. There are a number of models that we need to explore. We have to bear in mind what people actually said, not what he and I would have hoped that they had said, in order to make sure that we get to a position that’s to the benefit of Welsh business.