5. 5. Plaid Cymru Debate: Economic Development

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:53 pm on 14 September 2016.

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Photo of Mark Drakeford Mark Drakeford Labour 3:53, 14 September 2016

Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Can I begin by thanking all those who’ve taken part in what has been, I think, a thought-provoking and constructive discussion, which will be helpful to us all as we struggle together to think our way through the circumstances in which we find ourselves in Wales in the post-Brexit era? I’ll begin by thanking Adam Price for his contribution. I enjoyed the start of it especially. I think his reference to policy paradigms, and the way in which we have faced previous challenges by thinking again the strategies and the practical actions we need to take in order to meet those challenges, were helpful to us even in the tough times we face and even with the blow to confidence that setting out in a different direction can bring. I think he demonstrated that we have faced those challenges in the past and by applying ourselves to the circumstances of today we are capable of meeting them in the future. His general point, and the general point that lies behind the motion, is incontrovertible isn’t it? We have to think again and we have to fashion our future anew in the circumstances created by the vote on 23 June.

Those circumstances, as Nick Ramsay said, are highly uncertain and in order to meet that uncertainty we have to shape Wales’s future alongside others. I spent part of my morning in a discussion with the new Scottish Minister responsible for negotiating from the Scottish perspective in the Brexit discussions. We shared ideas about how we can shape inter-governmental machinery and how we can create an agenda in which, where we have common and overlapping interests, we work together to pursue those ambitions. That’s why the Government side will vote for the amendment moved by Nick Ramsey this afternoon. We need a distinctive future for Wales but not a separate future; a future in which we can work together to create some common benefit for the people who live in Wales. And when we do that, Dirprwy Lywydd, I think from the perspective of this side, then we don’t think that the best way to fashion that future is to look back to solutions that may have had their time in the past. The Government amendment, which we put in front of the Assembly this afternoon, makes clear that we have ambitions for the Welsh economy in the world, but we can’t achieve those ambitions by trying to take off-the-peg solutions that have had their day.

It’s clear as well, Dirprwy Lywydd, that in any response to Brexit, we are involved in an unfolding story, not some sort of short-term sprint. And Eluned Morgan’s contribution I thought was an excellent account, both of some of the drivers that we will need to draw on in shaping that future but the breadth of the issues that we have to encompass in trying to put together a distinctive approach to fashioning Wales’s future. We have to be able to do that, not immediately in the here and now—because the bits of the jigsaw around us that we rely on in order to fashion a future for Wales are themselves not set. They are not set at Whitehall, they are not set yet at Europe either. The Juncker state of the nation—