11. 8. Debate: Government Priorities and the Legislative Programme

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:50 pm on 4 October 2016.

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Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour 5:50, 4 October 2016

Diolch, Lywydd. Can I thank Members for the way in which the debate progressed today? There were lots of questions, of course, many of which will be answered during the course of this Government’s term of office.

Could I start with the issue of Brexit? The reality of the situation is that nobody knows what the model might look like; it’s difficult to plan without knowing what the criteria might be. For me, it’s absolutely crucial that there are no tariffs involved in terms of trade between the UK and the EU. If there are tariffs, then the situation is very difficult; there’s no getting away from it, and it’s not in Wales’s interest for that to happen. Without tariffs, I believe that we can continue to maintain our position and say that Wales is a place to invest in because it provides a gateway to the European market. The reality is that Scotland is in no different a position—it hasn’t gone any further than we have—but there is merit however, I believe, in us, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar and the Isle of Man—because it’s losing its customs union with the EU—looking to find common ground and using that common ground to develop a position to take with the UK Government, as the UK Government looks at Brexit. I see no difficulty in doing that in principle.

I can say that I do welcome something that the UK Government has done today, which is to provide more clarity in terms of European funding. The Chancellor announced yesterday that European-funded projects signed after the autumn statement, but before the UK leaves the EU, will continue to be funded—a step further than was the case before. And we’ve had confirmation today that there is no question of the UK Government having any control over European funding in Wales, in keeping with the devolution settlement, and I quote:

‘It will be for the Welsh Government to decide the conditions used to assess projects within your devolved competence.’

So, I’m glad that the UK Government has moved away from any suggestion that it should control European funding in Wales, and I’m sure that the leader of the Conservatives will take note of that, because I know his position has been very different to the one I’ve just outlined from the Treasury. I look forward to what he says in the next 24 hours on that.

He mentions bovine TB. That will be an issue that we will continue to address. We know that that is a priority for farmers in Wales, and we know that the number of animals being tested has gone up. As a result, more TB is being found, but the disease certainly is not as prevalent as once it was.

In terms of affordable housing, there will be a mixture of ways in which affordable housing is achieved. Some will be through social housing—that’s true—but there will be those who want to buy a house and there are various different models that can be used for that. We know that, in some parts of rural Wales, the fact that every house is on the open market is not of benefit to local people, and that is something that we need to address.

The SCCC has been raised. The Minister will look to address that over the course of the next few weeks, at least taking a decision by the end of this calendar year.

In terms of education targets, we see—