4. Urgent Question: The EU Law Repeal Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 2:38 pm on 4 October 2016.

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Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour 2:38, 4 October 2016

Well, the Member is unfortunate in his choice of words, because what he described at the very beginning is a power grab. What he said was that these matters would now be dealt with in UK law. Well, UK law doesn’t actually exist in reality. But, secondly, it is not a matter for the UK Parliament in its entirety in terms of what happens with EU law. Much law is devolved, and it will be wholly unacceptable for the UK Parliament to have a role in terms of dealing with devolved administration in any of the devolved nations. That is a matter entirely for this institution, and those who are elected to serve in it.

He mentions farming. This work is already ongoing. The Minister has met with farming unions on a number of occasions. But, again, the uncertainty we face is that we do not know whether there will be any money available for farming subsidies post 2020. That certainty has not been given.

For me, the issue of tariffs looms very, very large. Many, many businesses have expressed to me their great concern at the possibility of tariffs, and their great concern about the possibility of diverging regulatory regimes, if that were to happen in the future. The reality is, if there is free and unfettered access to the European market without tariffs, then that would be immensely helpful. There’s no question about that. That, for me, is an absolute red line as far as Wales and Britain are both concerned. If, however, there are tariffs, then that will mean that much of what we produce will become uncompetitive. We will find ourselves in a position where a market that’s bigger than America and Russia combined is not as open to us as once it was, and I don’t think economically that makes any sense at all.

What does worry me is that there are some on the right of the Conservative Party who seem to think—and I don’t mention him, because it’s not something that he’s said, but I’ve heard Peter Lilley say it, John Redwood and Patrick Minford, who’ve all basically said that we should have tariff-free access for all manufactured goods and all food. That would destroy farming, I’ll tell you that now, and it would destroy our manufacturing industry. The quid pro quo would be access to new markets for financial services. In other words, as long as the City of London’s alright, then no-one else matters. That can never be an acceptable situation to any of us in Wales. It’s not a view shared, in fairness, by everybody in his party, but it is nevertheless a view that I’ve heard expressed by many on the right wing of his party.