I think my response earlier on to Bethan Jenkins is sufficient in relation to the first point in terms of ABM university health board.

On your second point, I also attended a very important event in my constituency of the over-50s strategy, which has developed from our very pioneering older people’s strategy here in the Assembly. It’s very important that there is continuity, Mark Isherwood, in terms of the Government’s perspective in terms of intervention and engagement. But, of course, we take on board the point, as was very much shown in the event I attended, that it is older people—the over-50s—that are now emerging, in terms of strategic objectives, and who are actually taking the lead in terms of policy for older people. That, of course, is the essence of co-production.