Could I agree with the final point that the Member made? That’s what I said to Simon Thomas: when I speak to community councils, one of the things that I want to do is bolster the policy for electing people who represent local people. But, to do that, we will have to have a plan for the council level and persuade people to come forward to do that important work that the councils do.

Of course, I agree also with what Lord Elis-Thomas said about the importance of regional issues. In north Wales, there’s the board that they’ve drawn together. I had an opportunity to talk to the people on that board on Thursday. One of the reasons that they are doing things like that, and working hard together to do that, is because they are aware of what’s going on over the border in England, and they know that they have to collaborate to strengthen the possibilities for the future there.

Regarding the last point, I just want to say that we have spent a lot of time in this Assembly, for important reasons, on the relationship between us and Westminster. We haven’t spent the same time and the same energy looking at the relationship between us and local government. This is the opportunity, now, to do that. It is important for us, as an Assembly, in terms of the footprint that we have in terms of democracy here in Wales.