Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:27 pm on 11 October 2016.
Thank you for the series of questions. I’ll start with CAMHS. I recognise that we’ve had about a 21 per cent improvement in waiting times for people across Wales. However, the number’s still too high, and far too many people wait for too long. This still goes back to making sure that people who don’t need the specialist service have an alternative pathway for alternative support, because there almost certainly is a support need there, but CAMHS may not be the appropriate place for it. The investment that we’re making in staff should help with that, too. So, both things need to be done.
So, I recognise there’s more to do, and, indeed, on CAMHS it’s part of the issue that I’ll raise with vice chairs. In my regular meetings with vice chairs I’ve made it clear this will be something I’ll return to each time we sit down. They know they’ll have to tell me about where they are and whether they’ve improved from where they were previously. So, this will be part of the direct accountability they’ll have from me as a Cabinet Secretary, so it’s not going to fall off the agenda. Even when we reach a position where we can say that we’re comfortable, that will need to be sustained as well. So, I don’t think this will fall off my particular agenda, or theirs, for some time to come.
On the points you made, I’ll be happy to have further discussions with the Cabinet Secretary for Education about the role of support in and around schools, both primary and secondary. I’m sure that you and many others have visited schools in our constituencies and seen the school counselling service that exists, and recognise the value that teachers and headteachers in particular place on that service, and the difference they think it’s made both to behaviour and outcomes for the whole school community. So, it’s something we do want to see maintained, and there’s a clear strategic direction to support school counselling services. So, I’m more than happy to think about what we can do to understand what works best, and how people share practice, and what is an effective school counselling service for a particular school community or across a larger area.
On your final series of questions on the dementia strategy, the work leading up to consultation—the stakeholders have taken part, they represent different parts of the community, so it isn’t just that Welsh Government are sitting down on their own, and that’s important. It’s also important that the chief medical officer is part of that group as well, so there is some senior leadership from Welsh Government reiterating the importance of this particular strategy to the Government. I hope that when you see the consultation come in you’ll see that it’s real and meaningful.
Of course I‘ll review the points you made about the number of support workers, their role and function. I’ll review the points about diagnosis rates. I want us to achieve our current target of 50 per cent, and it should then be about, ‘And what do we then do next?’ I expect that, in the consultation, we’ll hear plenty from people about both of those points, and I would expect that to be the case, and encourage people to have a view on what is in the consultation and what people think is important, including if it isn’t there.
That goes to your final point about delivery. Yes, we will think seriously about delivery and how we make sure there is both senior oversight and a clear rationale about how that reporting is then made on the progress that we’re making, and whether we’re making the sort of progress that we really want to and that we set out to.