Yes, easily. I mean, Ministers do speak at events that are organised by organisations, but Ministers do not have formal meetings with lobbyists. That is it; that is the reality of the situation. If he is saying that no Minister should ever meet, either formally or informally, with anybody who is remotely connected to a lobbying organisation, that's just impractical, given the size of Wales. It’s impractical for members of his own party. The last thing I'd suggest to Members in this Chamber is to say to Members that they should never, under any circumstances, meet anybody connected with a lobbying company. Clearly, that's not practical. But what we do not do is meet formally with lobbying companies if they seek meetings with Ministers. Those meetings never happen on a formal basis.