Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:56 pm on 1 November 2016.
Diolch, Lywydd. Thank you, too, Cabinet Secretary, for your statement. I, too, am pleased to see the reference to existing research, although obviously work needs to be done on the back of that rather than just accepting it as it is.
I was at a recent King’s Fund conference in London and I had the opportunity to engage with local authorities from different parts of England—there was nobody from Wales there apart from one person from north Wales—and they’re developing very different models, depending on which part of England they represent. One of them had actually gone so far as to transfer its entire cohort of social workers across to the NHS so that they became NHS employees. Now, it may well be that the demands of social care are going to prove too much for local authorities on their own, but I think there is a real risk, isn’t there, that we’re going to end up with an enormous, centralised service if we’re not too careful?
So, can you just advise me whether the panel will have enough time to consider a range of models for providing integrated services, especially those that are perhaps from different parts of the world, which help face the inevitable problem–both a practical one and a cultural one—that the NHS could end up swallowing responsibility for social care? I only raise this because the NHS, of course, already has some difficultly meeting its needs from the existing resources, and I wouldn’t like to think that social care just becomes one of those areas competing for attention from within a larger NHS. Thank you.