But we know, of course, of the wider problems across the board, and when the health board reaches such a point then one would expect radical steps—truly radical steps—to be taken to change things. All we’ve seen in reality is a change in senior management, and, at the moment, I tell you that people have no confidence that that in and of itself is going to introduce the change required.

One thing that is constantly pushed is more centralisation, and rather than dealing with services that are failing, one proposal on the table now is to move vascular services, which are of a world-class standard, from Ysbyty Gwynedd. We are pressing for a consultation on that. Can the Cabinet Secretary explain the rationale for tackling poor performance by destroying those things that work well? And in terms of the future of Ysbyty Gwynedd, does the Cabinet Secretary believe that there should be more or fewer specialist services provided there in the future?