Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:33 pm on 22 November 2016.
I’m also grateful to the Cabinet Secretary for her statement. She says she hopes to work with parties across the Chamber, at least ones she deemed to have in-depth knowledge of the sector. She also said she welcomed the consensus that greeted the principles of Professor Diamond’s report.
I’d like to just then start on two areas where I was very pleased to hear what she said just now. I think, with part-time students, the parity of esteem and support is, indeed, as she said, unparalleled, and, in principle, I can’t see the arguments the other way. And the fact that this will only happen in Wales, but not anywhere else, is something I think we can all rightly be proud of.
Second, in my party we had something in our manifesto where we proposed a £6 million bursary fund for the best and brightest students in Wales to qualify and have support at the best institutions across the globe, not just in the UK. So, to hear her speak, at least possibly, of support being available for people who might go to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology or the California Institute of Technology, for example, was, I think, very, very encouraging, and I credit her for that.
Where we I think have potential difficulty, at least, with the principles set out with the Diamond report—or, at least, how they may be implemented—was when we discussed universalism within a progressive system. We’re concerned, potentially, that that means large amounts of money being given to students from well-off families, when, across Wales, there are greater needs from people who are less well-off and don’t go to university. But compared to the previous statement she made, where Diamond had said £80,000 or £81,000 would be the amount that people could get money up to—we thought that was extraordinarily high, and I detected some discomfort on the Labour benches in parts as well. And when you are giving what you describe as a means-tested grant, all the way up the income scale to £80,000 or £81,000, I think that becomes very difficult to justify, so it’s extremely welcome that she’s reduced that upper threshold to £59,200.
I thought Darren Millar’s comments were quite revealing on this. He seemed unhappy with that reduction, and described this band of families earning between £60,000 and £80,000 as the squeezed middle. I think the definition of other parties in the Assembly of the squeezed middle may be a little different. [Interruption.] Sorry, there were a number of interventions there, which I haven’t quite caught—