7. 4. Statement: Rent Smart Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:07 pm on 22 November 2016.

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Photo of Carl Sargeant Carl Sargeant Labour 4:07, 22 November 2016

I’m very grateful for the measured comments from David Melding there. I’m very happy with the two cheers. The fact that we’re getting two is better than none, indeed.

The points that the Member raises are important ones. It is about learning lessons from this new programme that we’re introducing, with people often focused on the process of Rent Smart Wales, rather than the reason we introduced it in the first place and the whole process of trying to tackle rogue landlords. Through the housing Bill, when we introduced that, I visited several properties where people were living in very dangerous conditions, and quite inappropriate conditions, under the threat of the landlord of, ‘If you say something, you’ll be out anyway’. I think it’s wholly inappropriate, and that’s why we’ve introduced this law.

In regard to the numbers—interesting when you said ‘the previous Minister’; I think, actually, the 20 per cent explanatory memorandum process was me. [Laughter.] There was a Minister in the interim between that also. But I don’t think we should be shy about the fact. Okay, 20 per cent was an underestimate, but I actually am really pleased that we’ve got over half registration early on in the registration process. From volunteering to be part of the programme with 3,000, now 55,000 properties registered is a huge difference.

Enforcement officers: the Member’s right to raise the issue. That’s now a process where, again, we’ll have to have a measured response to how we take forward enforcement. I’m keen to do that work with people and landlords who may have not been notified. I find it quite hard to believe, but I also understand that there are casual non-professional landlords who may just not be realising they are actually landlords. I need persuading, but, actually, I think the Member is right to understand the level of enforcement and how we would do that.

I’m not convinced about the awareness-raising issues that the Member raised, that we haven’t been professional or a process that we haven’t followed hasn’t been delivered. We’ve seen 55,000 new registrations. Indeed, my colleague Jenny Rathbone saw one of the adverts on the back of a bus in Cardiff, which she constantly reminds me of, which is a good thing. I think what my concern is is that the awareness-raising process has been ignored by some, and that’s what we have to try to understand about, about how do we get into the mindset of individuals who choose to ignore, and then enforcement may follow. But I'm grateful for the Member’s positive comments, and I do hope that the process we've followed, including the interim report and following on with a much more substantial report later on, will give us the evidence that the Member wishes to have clarity and confidence about, and also me as lead Minister on this.