There have been quite a variety of ideas that have been triggered by this Small Business Saturday debate—some of them cross-party overlapping, which is quite interesting. Today a constituent raised with me the opening of out-of-town retail parks—Russell Jones on Twitter—and he said that it was one of those many challenges facing the high street. Absolutely. And that’s been touched on by many Members in the Chamber today.

With regard to free town-centre parking, it may or may not be a way forward, but I question whether it would be helpful in every case, as Jenny Rathbone has said. But, actually, Sian Gwenllian more or less agreed with that contention and suggested some quite intuitive solutions to some problems, as did Simon Thomas. So, I don’t think Jenny, Sian and Simon are a million miles apart, to be honest with you. It was really helpful to hear. In fact, in Caerphilly—[Interruption.] Don’t be cheeky. [Laughter.] In Caerphilly, more parking not free parking is the issue. I had a short debate two weeks ago on small and medium-sized enterprises; you’ve probably all been watching it on Senedd.tv—[Interruption.] Thank you, Lee. I mentioned that I’d discussed with an AM from another party what we should do with our small firms and our town centres. One of the discussions we had—. It wasn’t actually Bethan Jenkins I discussed it with, but the answer was: they’ve got their own unique personalities, our town centres, and we should be making the most of that—localised approaches. And I’m currently working on a business connections project in my constituency and engaging with owner-managers and discussing some of these localised approaches. Perhaps we should all do that as AMs.

But time and time again, business rates do come up. Under the recent revaluation, traders on Cardiff Road in Caerphilly had a higher rateable value than many shops in Cardiff city centre. This, of course, had been the situation since 2010. Rateable values in Caerphilly, actually—Nick Ramsay won’t be pleased to hear—have since fallen, but they sure as hell couldn’t go up. I’m concerned, sitting in the Grazing Ground tearoom on Cardiff Road, that the building opposite is occupied by William Hill and the building next door is occupied by Coral betting. Two betting shops next door to each other. I suspect if there were two independent bookies next door to each other they wouldn’t be able to make sufficient profit to continue. So we need to look at why these things are happening.

The revaluation has improved matters for many businesses, and the Welsh Government’s rate relief scheme is making a difference to those whom it benefits. Nonetheless, small businesses in our town centres need to know that the scheme into which they pay will not disadvantage them in comparison to others. The permanent rate relief scheme, being introduced in 2018, must address these issues.

It’s an interesting problem. At the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee, chaired by Russell George, the FSB praised the simplicity of the Welsh Government’s scheme, but if you’re going to introduce progressive measures into it, then you start to add layers of complexity. If you start messing with multipliers, as Jeremy said, you add layers of complexity and it becomes a minefield to negotiate. So, I don’t envy the Cabinet Secretary’s job, but I would be grateful if the Cabinet Secretary could set out what action the Welsh Government will be taking, up to, including and beyond the point at which the business rates will be reviewed, to help support our high streets and town centres.