I thank the Member for her contribution. We shouldn’t be shy about thinking about what happened in the past. In the 1980s, Wales was subject to very high levels of unemployment, from miners to steelworkers, where communities were absolutely devastated and wiped out in terms of employment. That has had a massive effect on the well-being of communities for the future. With poverty, you can’t just turn the light switch on and off; this is a long-term trajectory, and that’s why I’m saying, over the last 15 years, we’ve bumped along the bottom here, and, where we’ve tried to make interventions, I think we’ve stopped communities getting poorer. What I think we have to do now is build those communities to get stronger.

I’m not shy of saying I think what we’re doing today is very brave. We’re moving into a new space of opportunity. There’s some risk there, but I think your colleagues said on the benches earlier on that it’s measured risk and about how we have to think about what we need to do for the future. That’s why some of our programme interventions have to be thought through collectively, because we’ll never change these communities. We can paint communities—paint them a nice colour and make buildings look fantastic—but the fabric is in the people and we’ve got to help the people within those communities. That’s why tackling adverse childhood experiences has to be fundamental in the way that we deal with supporting individuals.

The 2020 figure was an ambition and it was ambitious, but we shouldn’t lack ambition in Government. I think we’re not ditching that now; we will still chase as hard as we can to get there, but there is a reality check here, and that’s why the WFG Act lends itself very well to measuring the success of a long-term approach to changes in the way Wales operates and the people in Wales respond to that change. So, we have a measuring process to look at. I think today is a red letter day for tackling the issues of poverty as a Government, as a collective nation, with our public partners. It’s something that I think, collectively—. I don’t think there’s anybody in this Chamber who doesn’t want to see the eradication of child poverty. We must work together to ensure that we can do that.