I thank the Member for his comments at the start of his question; we’re very grateful for them. It’s not for me to give the Member a history lesson, but I will remind him that poverty just doesn’t happen by chance—there are often causes to this. Back in the 1980s, when his party was in power in the UK, they destroyed our communities in Wales with the coal mines and the steelworkers, which had a massive effect on our young people and their lives ahead of them.

I can say what are our programmes, and the Member recognises them—Families First, Flying Start and the whole support mechanisms around the family are important ones. But you should not take anything back from the fact that your welfare-reform aspects have a massive impact on the people of Wales and the UK. You, as a party, should think about that very, very carefully.