I believe that, in fact, in Swansea, where my mother lives, it’s a weekly compost food collection. My mother puts it out every week, anyway—perhaps that’s the problem. [Laughter.] [Interruption.] But, no, let me come to that point. All the other authorities have various times for recycling bags, plastic bags. I live in Cardiff and Ceredigion now, so I know the difference between the two. It is confusing, I accept, but it’s a local choice. This is what is at the heart of this debate. If the Conservative Party are unhappy with what their local authority is doing, vote them out in May, and vote in a party that will take recycling seriously, like Plaid Cymru. Other parties may be available, who knows? [Laughter.]

But at its heart, this debate aims at completely the wrong target. There are a few Conservatives there who will know in their hearts that this debate is aiming at completely the wrong target. The target is reducing waste in the first place, dealing with packaging, dealing with items like Styrofoam, bringing in the potential for a deposit-return scheme in Wales, so that glass and plastic is not just used once, and then waits to be recycled—even if it is recycled, that’s quite a wasteful process—but is reused. Reuse is the key here.

Towards the end of her remarks, Janet Finch-Saunders, I do remember, before the lights went out, said—I got that right, didn’t I? Yes. [Interruption.] She said she would support legislation that did these things, that addressed the packaging. So, I’m really delighted at that because my bid for a private Member’s backbench Bill is precisely that piece of legislation. So, I now look forward, if I’m successful in the ballot, to her support for that legislation.

So, I think we’ve all exhausted ourselves waiting for the rest of this debate, so I’ll conclude just with this, and by saying that—[Interruption.] There’s no need to be too thankful for that. [Laughter.] Just to say that there are amazing examples, both inside Wales and outside Wales, of where other nations and countries and cities have dealt with recycling and waste in an effective way. What they’ve had to do is bring the population with them, and what we’ve done on the whole in Wales is bring people with us. When we were in recess, Dai Lloyd told me that when he first suggested in Swansea that they went from a weekly to a fortnightly black bag collection, there was uproar. But now people, certainly those I know, accept this as part of their contribution, and they see the benefits. They see the waste they throw out go down every week and they see the waste that they know is going to recycling, and employing people in that, by the way, being reused. I think on the whole we’ve got people behind us. If we hadn’t got people in Wales behind us, we wouldn’t have become the fourth most successful nation in the European Union, if we were an independent nation, in that context.

So, let’s look at good practice elsewhere, let’s look at good practice within Wales and let’s bring up those authorities in Wales that are very reluctant to improve their recycling rates. But, if you couch it in terms of a debate about when black bags and bins are collected, you’re going to mislead people, you’re missing the target and, in fact, you’re putting people off from joining us in the very real battle that we have, to recycle more, reuse and use less.