I’m sure that they will have their rose-tinted spectacles on in terms of the way that the trial is going. But let me tell you this: in terms of the evidence—[Interruption.] In terms of the evidence, local residents are extremely dissatisfied with their waste collection services. They’re extremely unpopular indeed. In fact, in terms of fly-tipping, in terms of litter, they have never seen so much fly-tipping and so much litter at the roadside across my own constituency. Just a two-mile stretch of road, in the week after Christmas, between Kinmel Bay and Abergele had nine separate incidents of fly-tipping on that one stretch of road. Pet waste: you didn’t refer to pet waste at all in your contribution or response, Minister, and yet the fact is that there is a biohazard from pet waste going into bins that are left for four weeks. Now, it may well be that there’s more work to be done in terms of food waste, I accept that: some people are irresponsibly disposing of food waste in their bins when councils have the opportunity to collect that at the kerb side. But that is not taking place in some places, and, in particular with pet waste, there is a biohazard that is not being fully considered and isn’t being considered anywhere in Wales as far as I can see.

In terms of clinical waste as well, the one big problem that we have in Conwy now is that the local authority is collecting clinical waste separately—incontinence products and other medical dressings, et cetera—but, unfortunately, it’s in a receptacle that is identifiable by people, which highlights the fact that vulnerable individuals are living in those properties. That’s unacceptable. It’s also not very nice for those individuals to have that highlighted to their neighbours. With nappies, there are nappy collections taking place from households where there are young children, but what if you’re a carer for a young child, a grandparent who regularly looks after a child? You’re not entitled to have a nappy receptacle, even if you’re caring for that person full time while your son or daughter is going to work. Other people have highlighted the need to do more on recycling. I agree with them. There are all sorts of things that we can be doing, but four-weekly bin collections is not the way forward and you’re not going to keep the Welsh public onside in terms of them participating in recycling simply by axing bin collections. If you think that further bin cuts are the way to promote more recycling, then why not scrap all bin collections altogether to force people to recycle? Because that’s where your logic leads you, I’m afraid.

So, at the end of the day, we need to do everything we can to promote recycling, and we can certainly do things in terms of reducing the size of bins to promote people’s responsible behaviour, but four-weekly bin collections certainly isn’t the way. If I could just say one more thing: when you are in Government, trying to promote recycling, you have to invest in it. In Conwy, they’ve seen a £185,000 cut in the environment grant for next year as a direct result of your Government’s investment strategy. You’re not going to promote recycling by not investing in the local authorities that are doing their job well, and I want to pay tribute to Conwy for its current recycling rate. But this isn’t a way to take the public with you. If you want to take the public with you, you’ve got to work with them and you’ve got to provide decent services. Cutting their bin collections isn’t the right way forward.