Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:16 pm on 25 January 2017.
Not yet, but I will give way later. Because UKIP in its manifesto in May in Wales, and in the general election in England last time, stood firmly on the principle of a national health service funded from taxation and free to the user at the point of delivery. It was a calumny and I’m afraid he demeaned the quality of debate and demeaned himself by the way in which he opened his speech. I’m disappointed, frankly. I am disappointed with him because we have a great deal of sympathy with the points that are made in the Plaid Cymru amendments, apart from amendment No. 5. No country in the world wants totally unrestricted immigration. We don’t have unrestricted immigration from the rest of the world outside the EU, but the tone of amendment 5 is that Plaid Cymru is actually opposed to all forms of immigration control because they regard that as a kind of racism and designed to increase hostility towards migrants. The reason why there is any hostility towards migrants today is very largely because of the failure of Governments to control immigration. [Interruption.] Plaid Cymru are evidently in denial—86 per cent of the country, according to the Government’s White Paper, which bears the name of the leader of Plaid Cymru, want immigration to be reduced; Plaid Cymru does not and I’m very happy to go into an election campaign on that basis.