3. Urgent Question: The United States 90-day Travel Ban

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 2:37 pm on 31 January 2017.

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Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour 2:37, 31 January 2017

Well, I only know what I heard Boris Johnson say in Parliament. I also know that the German Government is not convinced that that is the interpretation that is wholly correct. We have to wait and see what is said in writing, actually, not just what is said orally to any British Government Minister, and we’ve not seen any written confirmation of that. My concern is that the situation on the ground in the US changes on a regular basis. There are reports of officials on the ground being given conflicting advice within a short space of time. So, it’s hugely difficult to understand what the situation will be, and it needs to settle, of course, as quickly as possible.

But at the heart of this is a fundamental misunderstanding of where the nature of the threat comes from. Most people who are the victims of Islamist terrorism are Muslims themselves, as the people of Turkey will tell you, as the people of Syria will tell you. The problem with an order like this is that it gives the appearance that, somehow, all Muslims are the same. Now, he knows that’s not the case; I know that’s not the case. A very small minority of people are Islamist in Islam. The people who committed genocide in Srebrenica were not representative of Christianity even though they called themselves Christians. They were a very small group of people who were bigoted in themselves. It’s the same with Islamist terrorism.

What struck me was, given the different responses from the UK Government and the Iranian Government, how reasonable the Iranian Government appeared to be. Now, we know that Iran, over the years, has had a record of supporting movements of terrorism across the world. Iran is on the right track now, I believe; some way to go in terms of the way that we would see Iran, but certainly Iran has come some way from where it was. But the US is a country built on accepting refugees. Yes, of course, it has its issues with security, and those issues of security must be dealt with appropriately. But to issue a ban on seven countries, apparently at random, then execute it in such a way that no-one really knows what’s happening—you know, that doesn’t do the US’s image any good. And we need the US to be in a stable position for the good of all the democracies of the world. Unfortunately, the impression that is being given at the moment is that it does things at random, without any kind of rational explanation, and we all see of course what appears to be turmoil in some cities in the US. That’s in no-one’s interest, and I hope that sensible voices prevail soon.