He has said that there are 730 days to deal with Brexit—it’s rather less than that, because actually, nothing will happen before September, once the French and German elections are out of the way, so, actually, the timeframe is rather more squeezed.

I listened to what David Rowlands had to say. Can I say to him that shouting at foreigners is not the best way forward? If you say to the EU, ‘You need us more than we need you’, they will tell you where to stick that view, in the same way as if the EU said that to the UK—he’d say exactly the same thing, if it was said about the UK. He has to remember that the UK joined the EU, or the common market at the time, because it was desperate to join, because the UK economy was a mess. And, as he put it, the lies that took us in were bigger than the lies that took us out. [Laughter.] That’s for him to explain.

The other point I have to tell him about is, yes, of course, in monetary terms, the EU exports more to the UK than the other way around; it would be odd if it didn’t, because it’s nearly 10 times the size of the UK. But, as a percentage, 67 per cent of Welsh exports go to the EU, 7 per cent of the EU’s exports go to the UK. Actually, percentage wise, we are far more reliant on the European market than the European market is on us. I beg of him to just think carefully about this being a sensible agreement between equals and not trying to say that they need us more than we need them. That simply isn’t correct. We all need each other in Europe to make sure that we all prosper.