May I thank Dafydd Elis-Thomas for his warmest of contributions? I’d like to say to the Member, and to all Members in this Chamber, that, as we progress with our proposals and with our work, I’ll make myself and my officials available for briefings to any Members who wish to know more about how we are changing the bus network across Wales and bus services right across the country. When I’m not running in Snowdonia, I can assure the Member that I do take the bus rather than use my car to access the highest point and then walk, and, in all seriousness, I would encourage all visitors to Snowdonia and to all national parks and areas of outstanding natural beauty to be respectful of the natural environment and to respect the fact that these are incredibly busy places for visitors and tourists, and therefore we should all play our responsible part in accessing protected landscapes in a responsible and respectful way, and that means by bus.

The services that the Member identified, I think, were innovative, have been innovative ways of addressing congestion within the national park. I would like to see any innovative model that the industry is able to devise, or that communities are able to devise, brought forward as a potential solution to congestion on our roads and in our park areas.

In terms of train and bus stations needing to be fully integrated, the Member is absolutely right that we are still having to deal with the failure in lack of foresight across the country in many parts of Wales in terms of now having to rebuild hubs, integrated hubs. For example, not far from where I live, not far from my own constituency in Wrexham, as a result of rail and bus stations being such a significant distance apart, we’re now having to look at investing in a new, combined hub. The lack of foresight was regrettable, deeply regrettable, but we remain committed to ensuring that, in the future, we do have fully integrated hubs, particularly in those areas such as the metros, but also in rural areas where we don’t just see many people using public transport to access work and services, but also many visitors using rail to access Wales’s wonderful countryside.