Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:05 pm on 28 February 2017.
I just wanted to speak very briefly, if I can, in this important debate. Can I welcome the fact that the Welsh Government brought back a Bill without any proposals for significant restrictions on e-cigarettes? We know that we’ve had some success in bringing down smoking rates here in Wales in recent years, and that’s gone hand in hand with people choosing to have an e-cigarette rather than smoking tobacco, which is obviously much more beneficial to their health.
Can I also put on record how much I wholeheartedly agree with Jenny Rathbone, who made a powerful case, I thought, for minimum alcohol pricing here in Wales? I can remember, when I first took on the shadow health brief a number of years back, having a conversation with Alcohol Concern Cymru about this. I was very resistant at all to having any sort of minimum alcohol pricing, but when I looked at the statistics, they were very stark indeed in terms of the significant affordability of alcohol compared to the situation back in the 1970s and 1980s from when the price of alcohol, in relative terms, has gone down significantly as a proportion of people’s income. I think that it is time that we stepped up to the plate and brought forward some proposals on minimum alcohol pricing in order to deal with the harms that alcohol is causing society and the significant costs that alcohol is putting on taxpayers in terms of mopping up the cost of treating alcohol-related diseases, and the crime consequences, of course, of alcohol, which Jenny didn’t actually touch on.
In terms of the smoke-free requirements, I welcome some of the extensions that have been brought forward by the Government, but the Minister will know that I have raised with her a proposal from schoolchildren in my own constituency in Ysgol Pen y Bryn in Colwyn Bay, who’ve actually said that one of the things that they really detest is hanging around at bus stops when people are puffing away on cigarettes. I think, particularly between the hours that children are travelling to and from school, there might be something that you could consider perhaps around restricting smoking at bus stops, because it is a place where children congregate on a regular basis. I think that your intentions are absolutely right in terms of the drive to discourage people from smoking in areas where children congregate, but that, I think, is an easy win and it’s difficult to see why you haven’t been able to put it on the face of the Bill at the moment. I wonder, Minister, whether you could say whether that is something that you’re prepared to consider at Stage 2.
Just in terms of public lavatories, obviously, one of the things that we proposed in Stage 3 when the previous Bill was up for debate in the last Assembly, was the need for not just local strategies on public conveniences, but also, of course, for a national strategy to be developed. Because the Government seems to be saying that local authorities should produce their local strategies and, if they fall short, then the electorate can dump them at the next election. That’s absolutely fine for locally important toilets, but the problem is that there are some nationally strategically important toilets that are not important to local electorates. So, for example, we famously quoted, on many an occasion—and Kirsty Williams will be pleased that I’m raising this point—toilets along the A470 trunk road that are, frankly, not well used by locals, but used a lot by people who are passing through on the trunk road, or people who’re vising that locality. Of course, those individuals will not have a vote locally, in Powys, to ditch the local councillors who refuse to acknowledge the importance of those conveniences.
This is something that the Government, to be fair, has recognised as an issue, and that’s why the Government has put funding in to maintaining some of those public toilets. Yet, there is no provision whatsoever for a public convenience strategy on a national basis in order to make sure that those gaps in provision are actually accounted for. And let me tell you, the fact that there are no public conveniences in some parts of Wales does prohibit people, particularly those with medical conditions, from being able to get out of the house and to make long-distance journeys. That, I think, is unacceptable and that’s why I want to see the Bill strengthened. I wonder, Minister, whether you will consider strengthening the Bill through the provision of some sort of national strategy, an overarching strategy that looks at the provision across Wales, that the Welsh Government takes some responsibility for actually implementing.