Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:13 pm on 15 March 2017.
Well, I question whether it does work, actually, because—. That leads me very nicely into the problems, the deep-seated problems, that the people of Wales do face. I do see the Deputy Minister for skills congratulating you on such a wonderful intervention. [Laughter.] If that passes for congratulations, why are one in seven people in Wales on a waiting list? Why is this Government failing to tackle one of the huge obstacles that have been around the neck of the NHS here in Wales for 17 years, which is tackling the waiting lists that have grown over the years?
It’s not the UK Government—I can hear, from a sedentary position, the Member for Aberavon say it’s the UK Government. If you actually look at treatment times here for cataracts, for example, in England, you will be seen within 58 days; here, it’s 107 days. Upper digestive tracts, 21 days; 32 days in Wales. Heart operations, 40 days; 48 days in Wales. Hip operations—which the Member for Aberconwy will know shortly about, because her husband is going in shortly to have his hip done—in England, 76 days for treatment; 226 days people wait in Wales to have that treatment done. On diagnosis, heart disease—38 days in England; 46 days here in Wales. On a hernia, 43 days in England; 120 days in Wales. Those are the facts. They’re not my facts; they’re the Nuffield Trust’s facts, which were done in their recent report. So, the Member for Aberavon says about it being a successful manifesto. I have seen nothing over the first 12 months of this term to show that this Government is getting on top of waiting lists.
And when you look at recruitment into the NHS in Wales, we are told that we have to wait for the new recruitment campaign that this Welsh Government has brought forward, while GP surgeries the length and breadth of Wales are shutting. We had a recruitment campaign back in 2011 from the then health Minister in this Assembly, and that didn’t exactly work very well, did it, when you see GP surgery and consultant posts going vacant the length and breadth of Wales. As I said, I’m not disputing the fact that it’s the right of the Labour Party to have the Government here; you won the election. I recognise that. But you should have the energy. You should have the appetite to deal with these deep-seated problems, and you don’t. When you look at our health boards, four of the six health boards are in some form of special measures here in Wales, and I appreciate there are health concerns across the whole of the United Kingdom, but there’s nowhere with those type of figures where four out of six—you’ve only got six health boards—are in special measures in some shape or form.
In education, you look at the PISA rankings that came out before Christmas. We had a First Minister who, when he came into position in 2009, quite rightly marked out education as being his chief policy priority, wanting to develop improvements across the board in education. He was going to invest to improve the outcomes for children in Wales. And what do the PISA rankings tell us? We’re going backwards in education here in Wales, and that cannot be a position that, after six or seven years of leadership, gives anyone any confidence at all, let alone in this Chamber, but outside of this Chamber. Spend per school is still horrendously in deficit when it’s compared to other parts of the United Kingdom, as the education committee heard only recently from the teaching unions, where Rex Phillips gave us the figures of £607 being the difference in a secondary school in Wales to a secondary school in England—£607 more is spent in a secondary school, per pupil, in England than in Wales. [Interruption.] I’ll gladly take that answer.