The Member raises some very important issues, but can I say that these are very modern facilities? The issue of education and rehabilitation is an important one. Wrexham prison and Bridgend, actually, have got some very good processes where reintegration into the community is an important one. If you lock people up and treat them like wild animals in cages, they will come back out as wild animals out of cages. That’s why we’ve got to have a different offer, and the old facilities that we have lend themselves quite nicely to that scenario. We have to have a new, modern approach to incarceration if that’s the last port of call.

I accept the Member’s point on women’s prisons. It troubles me dearly the fact that we’ve got anybody incarcerated—young people, men or women. But there are some times when this has to happen, and I think if it does have to happen, then it has to happen close to home, where we can still have integration with family connections that lead to better outcomes for people. So, I accept the Member’s very valid point about women’s prisons in general, but where we do need them, we have to make sure that we manage them properly.

These types of facilities—cutting edge in prison terms—are a whole new ball game. The one in Wrexham, a brand new facility, has the Coleg Cambria institution on there, helping people to learn new skills and training, an apprentice process for young people to go through as well, and a healthcare facility that is not only used for inmates, but for the public as well. So, the facilities they have there are in addition to the national health service. There are obviously concerns about the placement of this prison and what it looks like for the future, but let’s not jump to conclusions about what it may look like, because actually it might provide better outcomes for the people of all our communities that we all represent.