Can I thank the Cabinet Secretary for his answers so far? I’m still a bit unclear on a couple of points. The first fundamental issue is: how did we get here? I wake up this morning to breakfast television news: ‘Prison in Baglan’. Okay, as a lowly Member of the opposition, I wouldn’t expect to be involved in any consultation with UK Government, but I expect somebody to have been involved with consultation with the UK Government, so can you exactly delineate what consultations have been happening over the last few days, weeks, months, also involving the local authority, so that we can have a clear idea of how we got to where we are today? That’s my first issue.

In terms of the second issue, obviously it’s about my worry about reoffending rates, and the revolving doors of people always going into prison, out of prison, and back into prison. One of the fundamentals of stopping that reoffending issue is actually the back-up locally of the health service, social care, housing provision, education, substance misuse, drug and alcohol services—all of those are devolved to Wales, devolved to this National Assembly for Wales. Remarkably, still, policing and criminal justice are not. That’s one of the issues, presumably, whereby we wake up this morning to find a superprison foisted upon us, because it is not devolved to Wales, as opposed to being the result of delicate discussions going on for several months.

But, there’s a fundamental disconnect. If we’re going to have hundreds of prisoners—1,600 of them—in Port Talbot, and we expect them to be rehabilitated in the community, in a community under strain, where the health service is under strain—I won’t go after it, but we know they’re under strain: education services, social care, housing, substance misuse. All of these devolved services are under strain, and now we’re having hundreds of people in, in addition, trying to engage with those services to stop them reoffending.

Can I ask what analysis has been undertaken to try and encompass what effect this new load of human beings in Port Talbot will have on our local, devolved services? Because I’ve got to say, Cabinet Secretary, I haven’t detected a clamour locally to have a prison by means of job creation, which seems to be one of the arguments. I’ve detected a clamour for a tidal lagoon by means of job creation. I’ve detected a clamour to make sure we still have a steelworks, to make sure we still have jobs, and I’ve detected a clamour to electrify our railways. Singularly, uniquely, I have failed to detect a clamour to have a new prison.

So, I’m wondering how we can resolve these sorts of issues, because we are talking, as has been outlined by Bethan Jenkins, 2,400 surplus places. We’ve got a superprison in Wrexham, a superprison in Port Talbot. Labour in Westminster opposes superprisons, presumably, in England—in favour of superprisons, plainly, in Wales. Two thousand four hundred surplus places with these, down to 1,600 if you close Cardiff, but that’s still 1,600 surplus places that our services in health, education, housing, under tremendous strain already—. Tell me: how are we going to cope?