Thank you for that answer, Cabinet Secretary. These are very concerning remarks, which have been made in letters to patients’ families in north Wales. And, given that we are now two years into special measures, almost, and around two and a half years since the publication of the report by Donna Ockenden into the institutional abuse on the Tawel Fan ward, it will come as a serious concern that there may be individuals who are still employed by the NHS, paid for by the taxpayer in terms of their salaries, who are yet to lose their employment, and are yet to have to face resignation, and may still be working somewhere in the health service in spite of the potential harm that they may have caused to individuals in this particular ward.

I am concerned that some of the cultural issues that were identified in Donna Ockenden’s report are still prevalent in mental health services in north Wales, and that there’s still significant pressure on in-patient bed capacity. Just this week, I had an e-mail from a family whose loved one needed to be sectioned because of their poor mental health, and had to be sent to Bristol, because there were insufficient numbers of beds in north Wales. That is unacceptable. And it’s also unacceptable that some patients are having to sleep on sofas in lounges in mental health wards because of insufficient numbers of beds, and that some female patients are also having to sleep on male mental health wards in north Wales.

Clearly, there are still huge challenges. There are still issues that people in north Wales are facing, and we must ensure that we learn lessons from what went wrong. I appreciate that the investigations are continuing, and that those are in-depth investigations, and we have to get to the truth in terms of what has been going on in north Wales, but I would appreciate it, Cabinet Secretary, if you could give some assurances that, should those investigations find that harm has been caused, you will discuss with the police and the Crown Prosecution Service the possibility of bringing prosecutions for those responsible for causing harm, particularly where that harm may have led to deaths, because these are very serious issues, which people are very concerned about in north Wales, and we’re not confident that sufficient progress is being made to address those concerns.