From looking around the Chamber today, I think we’re suffering—apart from Plaid Cymru and UKIP—with Brexit weariness. At least we’re here to engage in the argument.

We have no difficulty, of course, in supporting Plaid Cymru on the first two points of this motion. As I’ve said many, many times before, the Brexit process should not in any way be used to undermine or to row back on the devolution settlement, which the people of Wales have voted for twice in referenda. That would be a betrayal of everything that we stand for.

But point 3 is totally unrealistic. The difference, of course, between Canada and Australia is that in their federal systems, they don’t have the massive imbalance of populations that we have in the United Kingdom between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Where England is 85 per cent of the population of the country, it’s inevitable in those circumstances the United Kingdom Government is not going to accept what this motion asks for. Therefore, I simply can’t understand why it’s being put forward. All that you do in those circumstances is to undermine the good point, which is that of course the interests of Wales should be properly considered and taken into account by the United Kingdom Government, because they are inevitably different from other parts of the country, in particular in agriculture as we know. The import/export position in Wales is different from the United Kingdom as a whole.

Even though we’re massively in deficit with trade with the EU—we export to them £250 billion a year of goods, they export to us well over £300 billion. So, 7 per cent of our UK GDP is accounted for—only 7 per cent, and 93 per cent is trade either internally or with the rest of the world; let’s keep it in perspective, I say that to Eluned Morgan—then there’s a bigger percentage of our gross national product that is consumed by what we purchase from them. That is our bargaining counter with them.