8. 8. Plaid Cymru Debate: Brexit and the National Assembly for Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:01 pm on 21 June 2017.

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Photo of David Lloyd David Lloyd Plaid Cymru 5:01, 21 June 2017

(Translated)

Henry VIII powers—you clearly need to read them in detail.

To return back to the consultation paper on the great repeal Bill, paragraph 4.2 says that Westminster is to take powers back from Brussels, with the risk that they will retain those in devolved areas. Having seen powers rolled back in the Wales Act, we are at risk of losing further powers under the great repeal Bill—agriculture, environment, transport—

Yr Amgylchedd: fel hyrwyddwr rhywogaethau’r flwyddyn dros y morlo llwyd—amser cinio eto—mae fy ffrindiau dyfrol newydd yn poeni’n fawr ynglŷn â Chymru’n colli pwerau amgylcheddol a fu gennym yma ers blynyddoedd, pwerau rydym am iddynt aros yma am flynyddoedd. Dyna beth rwy’n ei glywed oddi ar greigiau Pen Pyrod.

In these areas, therefore, the discussions and negotiations with Europe are on a Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and England basis. That’s what happens in the devolved fields: the four nations. It always has been the case and it should continue in that vein. And with the great repeal Bill, there is a convention from Westminster of consulting with Wales and Scotland in devolved areas prior to legislation, but with the Wales Act, the use of the word ‘normally’ is crucial, because one could argue, with the great repeal Bill, that it isn’t a ‘normal’ case. Therefore, Westminster wouldn’t have to discuss these issues with us.

And Theresa May stated, to quote:

Ni chaf fy nal yn wystl gan unrhyw weinyddiaethau datganoledig neu ‘genedlaetholwyr ymrannol’, pwy bynnag yw’r rheini.

That was last October. The political landscape has been transformed, clearly, for her in a frightening way, and since the general election also. She’s expected now to work with the devolved nations and not to roll back powers from this place to Westminster.

A vote was won here in the Senedd recently to get a continuity Bill in order to keep hold of all of the European legislation in those devolved areas, and to retain those powers here in Wales—to keep the grey seal happy—a continuation of the current situation, therefore. Agriculture, the environment and the regulations of those fields already sit here in this Senedd, and we need a continuation of that, not to see those powers rolled back to Westminster. A continuity Bill is therefore required. Thank you.