8. 8. Plaid Cymru Debate: Brexit and the National Assembly for Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:08 pm on 21 June 2017.

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Photo of Mark Drakeford Mark Drakeford Labour 5:08, 21 June 2017

The problem with the amendment, and the problem with what the Member has just said, is the deep ambiguity that lies behind that statement. As we’ve already heard in this debate, the Queen’s Speech today has a sentence in it that appears to act in precisely the opposite direction, saying that there are to be national arrangements in the fields of the environment and agriculture that cannot be achieved without taking away from this National Assembly responsibilities that are already devolved to it. We have made crystal clear to the UK Government, both before and since the general election, that if they choose to go down that route—and we have explained to them why there is absolutely no need for them to go down that route, because we will be prepared to come to the table and discuss ways of achieving sensible UK-wide arrangements without them acting in that way—but if they choose to do it, there will be a fight on their hands. It is a fight that they do not need to have, but it will be, Dirprwy Lywydd, a fight of their own making.

Now, we say that devolution is an established part of the UK constitution, and that the UK’s withdrawal from the EU must therefore respect and reflect the reality of devolution. The First Minister wrote to the Prime Minister last week. He stressed that the repeal Bill—interesting to see that the word ‘great’ has disappeared from the repeal Bill, in line with the more modest ambitions of Mrs May—but the First Minister made it clear to the Prime Minister that the—[Interruption.] Humility—that is what lies behind the absence of greatness. The First Minister made it clear that that Bill must fully respect existing devolution settlements and, as I’ve said, that the Welsh Government stands ready to work constructively and positively with the UK Government to help frame the legislation to achieve just that. I have spoken directly with the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union since the general election, and once again, I laid out our position on that matter, and both Simon Thomas and Eluned Morgan are right to sound a note of concern about how that is now represented in the Queen’s Speech.

In a document that the First Minister has published, we propose the establishment of a UK council of Ministers for discussing and agreeing such frameworks. The policy document ‘Brexit and Devolution’ makes it clear that a UK council of Ministers could be utilised to gain agreement on areas where reserved powers and devolved powers are interconnected, and devolved administrations have a strong interest in UK Government policy, even when that policy is not formally devolved. UK-wide discussions and agreement in some aspects of non-devolved policy will be needed in order to ensure that policies have legitimacy across the whole of the United Kingdom.