Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:32 pm on 21 June 2017.
Well, I can’t answer that question. I don’t know the statistics. But the point that I’m making is that, whatever that figure is—[Interruption.] It may be tiny, and perhaps this is not the day to quote Tesco, considering the announcement of the closure of their call centre in Cardiff, but, in the sense that every little helps, anything that we can do to reduce this downward pressure on wages is something that we should do.
I cannot understand what possible argument there can be for an open door to this country for people doing low-skilled jobs when we still have unemployment to mop up and where wage levels at the bottom end of the income scale are continually being depressed. Of course, that has implications for the Exchequer as well, because in-work benefits therefore compensate for the lower wages that are brought about as a result of this excess supply of labour. It’s the speed of the influx that is the problem. If this happened over a long period of time, then, of course, it balances out, but, when we have the kind of migratory inflows that we’ve experienced in the last 10 years in particular, then it’s a serious problem.
Before 2004, immigration and emigration within the EU and the United Kingdom were broadly in balance. It wasn’t an issue. It was only when the former Soviet Union satellite countries joined the EU that we began to see these significant flows across borders, because, of course, they start from a very, very low base in terms of average income in their economies. So, inevitably, the western countries, and particularly Britain, being outside the eurozone, are a natural magnet, and who can blame them? Of course they want to better their condition of life, and overall these are very good people and with a great work ethic. It’s not the problem of the migrants themselves, but the scale of the inflows, which is what has excited our motion today.
So, I do implore Members not to engage in any kinds of Mickey-Mouse exchanges. I know we haven’t had them so far in the exchanges that were interventions in my speech, but all talk about this being racism and prejudice and it’s the far right and so on simply undermines what is a serious argument for ordinary people, and particularly those who are the most vulnerable in society. So, it’s to call attention to this and the advantages that we will get as a result of leaving the European Union and the single market—because it will enable us to control our own borders in a meaningful way, as we want, to protect our own people—that this motion is brought before the house today.