I thank John Griffiths for his questions. I’ll take his last point first and, I think, his most pertinent, actually. The people we really need to think about here are the residents of these blocks, and that’s what our primary concern must be, both in making sure that there is a reality of safety but also that the perception of safety is addressed in terms of what their views are. I will not be making a statement to this Chamber prior to informing residents of what the issues are. I don’t think it’s fair for media outlets to allow residents to be unnecessarily worried, and they should be always contacted by the landlords first, and then I will, of course, inform the Assembly of the actions taken by landlords.

There are two areas the Member raised questions on. First of all, the sample position. The sample was based upon the requirements of DCLG advice and of BRE’s testing facilities, and they’ve been consistent. However, the consistency of the samples is that they’ve all failed, which would indicate to me that the question arises about what exactly we are testing for here, and I think that’s what led me to understand what the panel is now considering about whether a full-system approach to testing is important. The Member raises a very important issue that most of the buildings are very unique in the style of build and what constitutes their fire safety. So, that has to be taken into consideration in the round as well, about what the systems are. That’s why I said earlier on to David Melding, in terms of the Grenfell Tower, that I think there were several issues that had an effect on the severity of the fire there, not just the cladding element of this, and the potential breaches of other fire regulations in the whole-system approach is something that we need to be mindful of. The very simple analogy is that—. In the same way as testing is taking place, we know there is flammability and combustibility in the small amount of sample that was tested, but, in a system approach, that may not be an issue. In the same way as we drive a car with eight gallons of petrol in it, and, on its own, petrol is very flammable and dangerous, but, within a system approach, it’s safe to drive a vehicle, and this could be exactly the same as this composite material within a structure that is considered as a whole-system approach. So, we are awaiting advice from DCLG on that, and if the advice comes for further system testing, that’s what we will apply. If that advice doesn’t come forward and the advice is, ‘This is dangerous, it needs to be removed’, we will follow that advice as well.

I’m not making, as I said, any political decisions on this; this is based upon evidence of the experts, and I will rely on them to give me, along with confidence for residents, the processes that need to be in place. But I will keep the Member apprised of the issues that are raised with me on a daily basis.