Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:56 pm on 18 July 2017.
And it’s very clear also that the Member raised the issue of the performance of this Labour administration since 1999, and he was ably supported by Mark Isherwood’s shout and contribution.
Let me give him some facts about the right to buy and, indeed, Joyce Watson’s intervention was absolutely right. The Conservative Governments under Theresa May and David Cameron have failed to deliver homes across the UK. In fact, it’s the lowest amount of homes delivered by a Conservative administration since 1923. So, we’ll take no advice from you on building new homes in Wales. You need to get it right from the centre, too. Giving £1 billion to the Northern Ireland administration is one opportunity that you could deliver for Wales here so that we can build more homes. Give us what we rightly deserve here in Wales, too, rather than complaining from the edges.
The other fact I think it would be worth mentioning in this Chamber is that, for the last five-year period—up-to-date figures—between 2012-13 and 2016-17, under the one-for-one additions policy—this is the one that Mark Isherwood tells us about, selling one, building one—I’ll tell you what happened in England: 54,581 right-to-buy sales by local authorities in England. What did they build? Twelve thousand, four hundred and seventy-two. That’s not quite one-to-one in my mathematics. So, don’t give me the rhetoric of building—[Interruption.] I’m not taking an intervention just yet, but I will if I get some more time in a little while.
Finally, in terms of some more details that colleagues have brought forward—Sian Gwenllian, I’m very grateful for your commitment to support the Bill. I’ve met with your lead Member on housing and am very grateful for the support that she has been able to give from the group. You’re absolutely right, the issue of rent-to-own and the spike does worry me in terms of what that may allude to, but I think the positive outcomes of the long-term policy objectives of this outweigh the issue of the spike over the 12-month period. But I will work with your colleagues to see if we can find a way through that.
I think—again, Huw Irranca raised the issue with regard to the absolute duty on Ministers in terms of advice. I will give that some further consideration, but I did listen to the advice of the Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee and they were very clear on what their views were, but I will reconsider that.
Again, what may be useful to Members, on the basis that some Members have used statistics that I just don’t recognise here—the fact of the matter is £4.4 million extra cost to the UK Government on housing benefit for ex rent-to-buy properties that are now in the private-rented sector. So, how does it make economic sense to do that in the first place? I think, again, Members should consider this as a suite of tools to provide social housing and housing further for the people of Wales. The products that we’re developing in our department, such as rent-to-own and other administrative processes through Rent Smart Wales and other factors in the Housing Bill, now the Housing Act, give us the opportunity to use this suite of tools to create a better housing solution for all people in Wales. I wasn’t going to respond to the master of conspiracy, Mr McEvoy, in that he doesn’t support the socialist principle of ending the right to buy. I am quite surprised as his party has been very supportive of this approach. Indeed, I think it was part of your manifesto approach and it’s something I’m grateful for—that support. I would ask him to reflect on his contribution and to maybe be more positive in his support for this Bill.
Llywydd, I’m very grateful for the opportunity to bring Stage 1 to the committee. It’s always an interesting debate when Mr Melding has his clear views on this Bill. I will look forward with vigour—. The conversations will continue, I’m sure, as we move forward, but my offer is for more consensus around the opportunities that this Bill presents in terms of making a better solution on housing for the people in Wales who are most in need. I formally move.