In terms of reviewing and understanding the recruitment across mid Wales and, in fact, every other part of Wales, health boards themselves, within their integrated medium-term plans, are supposed to be able to plan for the workforce. We are taking forward measures to more properly understand the needs of the workforce and our training and education requirements. That’ll get taken forward with the introduction of Health Education and Improvement Wales—that’s part of the picture.

But the general picture of recruitment is also affected by the issue that we’ve just discussed with the leader of Plaid Cymru, about the continuing pay cap—that is a real issue about how people are valued. The way in which our services work is also a particular challenge for us. To try to pretend that there is one single issue to resolve all of these just means that a politician may have an easy answer to give, but will not deal with the issues that public servants face or that our communities face.

The other aspect in the recruitment that none of us should forget is the onrushing juggernaut of Brexit. If we don’t have a proper deal about what this will look like, those European Union staff who have already left all parts of the service that you refer to, and those who are already considering leaving as well—that will make it worse, not better. If we can’t understand that all of those issues have an impact in every single part of Wales, then we will fail to not just understand the challenge, but to actually have a proper answer to make sure that we have a well-funded and well-resourced public health service, including, of course, the staff to actually undertake the work.