Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:52 pm on 19 July 2017.
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. It’s very difficult being fourth to speak and the third person who went on a visit and trying to say different things. I will endeavour to do so, and if I don’t I’m sure you’ll tell me. Firstly, can I thank Simon Thomas for his statement on the Finance Committee’s visit to Edinburgh? I think the one thing we’re going to have to start getting to grips with now is that finance is not something that is only dealt with by the finance Minister and the Finance Committee and a quick political argument once a year in the Chamber, where I can tell you what’s going to happen in the future—what each party’s going to do. We’re going to have to have a much more grown-up approach to it, and we’re going to actually have to come to terms with raising money as well as spending it, and I think that that’s going to have a change of mindset for Members across the Chamber, and I include my own party as well as the others in here.
I’d like to make two quick comments. Asymmetric devolution, with Wales continually playing catch-up to Scotland, is not acceptable. The second point is: the Finance Committee in this Assembly is more thorough in its budget scrutiny than its equivalent in Scotland. We spend a lot of time being told how wonderful Scotland is in a whole range of areas, but I’m sure that the Chair of the Finance Committee would agree with me that our scrutiny is more robust here than that that takes place in Scotland.
I have two questions. Should the budget review committee report to the Assembly or Government or both? And the final point is—and it’s really carrying on from something that’s been raised by both Nick Ramsay and Steffan Lewis—the importance of accurate and timely data. Does the Chair agree with me that it’s really important that we do ensure that we get accurate and timely data? And as we get more resources allocated to us to be got from our own taxation system, it’s going to be even more important to realise exactly how much money is coming in. Otherwise we’re going to be spending money without actually knowing we’ve got it coming. So, this timeliness and accuracy, however it’s done—. And I’m not somebody who says, ‘It has to be done by a university; it has to be done by a group that’s been set up,’ but that accuracy and timeliness, however it’s got, is incredibly important. Does the Chair agree with me that that is probably the most important thing if we’re going to start dealing with raising money—that we’re going to need accuracy and timeliness in order to ensure that what we do, we get right?