5. 5. Debate on the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee's Report on Medical Recruitment

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:58 pm on 20 September 2017.

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Photo of Angela Burns Angela Burns Conservative 3:58, 20 September 2017

I’m very pleased, as a member of this committee, to have a chance to speak in support of this report, and I’d like to put on record my thanks to all those who came to give evidence before us, and to the clerking teams that support us so ably.

Medical recruitment and workforce planning are two of the most important issues affecting our NHS going forward, and we need to ensure that we find the right balance to ensure that the future—or future Assembly Members, actually, here, are not going to have to try to solve this problem in the future.

This report ties in very closely with the cross-party parliamentary review into health and social care, which we discussed yesterday and which is still an ongoing piece of work, but when I was sitting in that committee there were two specific elements that really struck me most forcefully, and those are the two I would like to concentrate my contribution on.

The first is the whole issue of workforce planning. I think that we have to recognise that we cannot rely on our NHS to be a medical-based model, run solely by doctors and nurses, because, with the best will in the world, we simply cannot fill the gaps that we have. We need to be far more effective at bringing in and incorporating and integrating, as valuable members with equal presence within the NHS, allied healthcare professionals of all types. We need to bring in the third sector. We need to embrace care home operators more into the NHS, because otherwise we simply will not get the people, and the people within to stay within the NHS that we need. We’ve got to just broaden our base and not simply concentrate on the very obvious gaps that we see within some surgical specialities, some GP practices and within some elements of nursing. When we looked at the workforce planning, which we only did a very small part of, because it is so complicated, it really struck me that we simply don’t spend enough time on that. If we plan today for what might happen in five years’ time, then we’ve got a sporting chance of actually putting in place the people that we need in five years’ time. So, we know that some health boards, for example, are going to see a dramatic drop-off in key areas because staff are ageing; they’re going to retire, and there’s going to be a gap. If we constantly rely on filling that gap as we get to that crisis, we’re never, ever going to get ahead of ourselves.

So, I would like to talk to recommendation 10, and I would like to urge the Welsh Government—. Because, although you accepted it, you talk about identifying priority areas for investment, you talk about talking to medical and dental commissioning and non-medical commissioning proposals. But have you talked about other organisations such as allied health workers, and have you talked to other engaged bodies such as local authorities? Because, of course, for us to do workforce planning in the NHS, we need to know that we have the social workers, which is a local authority function, for example. I just feel that the impression I came away with, as a committee member, was that this was a very, very big task, there wasn’t cohesion, there wasn’t a coherent strategy at all, there wasn’t a real idea of capacity building at lower levels for the future, and there simply just wasn’t enough forward planning. I would like to have reassurance that somebody somewhere is really getting to grips with this issue.

The other point that I would like to discuss and concentrate some of my remarks on is how we get more Welsh students to study in Wales and remain in Wales. I notice that the Government has partially accepted our recommendations, and I know that Dai Lloyd has already commented on this, but I was quite disappointed in one of your responses. Actually, it was the response to recommendation 2, Cabinet Secretary—but it does speak to all of these recommendations—when you said that admission criteria is ultimately a matter for medical schools, and elsewhere there’s a marginal implication that there’s not an awful lot that the Welsh Government can do because these medical schools are universities within their own right. I simply don’t agree with you. You do have the leverage. For example, widening access, as an element of funding, could be used to lever in more Welsh-domiciled students. Using part of our Welsh baccalaureate as a criteria for being able to take a medical degree could be another lever. There are levers at your disposal, and I think, to be frank, that just sort of stepping back and saying, ‘Well, you know, it is up to Swansea; it is up to Cardiff how they do it. They are independent universities; they can say what the criteria for eligibility are’ is actually letting you and us and them off the hook. I think we’ve got to be far more robust. You do have the power; you simply need to be creative and exercise it.