7. 7. Plaid Cymru Debate: Superprisons

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:10 pm on 20 September 2017.

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Photo of David Lloyd David Lloyd Plaid Cymru 6:10, 20 September 2017

I’m grateful for that clarification, David, but I was expressing my sense of shock when we had the statement from the Cabinet Secretary that day back in March. Granted, the decision—more of that later on—was not the Cabinet Secretary’s; he was merely the conduit of it here, but it didn’t lessen the shock that some of us felt. But I’m grateful for your intervention anyway.

Up to that point, obviously, I hadn’t detected a popular groundswell of public opinion wanting a prison in Port Talbot, I’ve got to say. No public clamour at all. There was, and is, public clamour for a tidal lagoon in Swansea bay, there is public clamour for electrification of the main railway line from London to Swansea, but a superprison in Baglan—public clamour came there none.

Now, of course, this unexpected announcement—via the Cabinet Secretary—came about because obviously policing, crime and justice are not devolved to this National Assembly for Wales. Westminster can announce things and that’s it. Yet, policing is devolved everywhere else, obviously: Scotland, Northern Ireland, London, Manchester even, but not Wales. And this isn’t just an argument about powers for its own sake, but, in terms of criminal justice, the need to tackle the revolving door of reoffending, as alluded to elsewhere, is paramount.

This deficiency cuts across that. To try and prevent offenders from reoffending, a concerted, co-ordinated response is required across all public services and local voluntary and charitable institutions. Because, for offenders leaving prison, we need housing, housing for people on their release; we need education and training possibilities; we need general health services; we need mental health services; we need drug and alcohol treatments; we need social services support. All of these already overstretched services are devolved to Wales. We manage them from here. Co-ordination with policing, probation, criminal justice and prisons, which are not devolved, is very difficult therefore, which is why we can just have this sudden announcement, whoever announced it, wherever—and I’m grateful to the Cabinet Secretary for that announcement back in March.

But because criminal justice and prisons are not devolved, this is how we can have this sort of announcement, and are we expected to pick up the pieces with our devolved services already overstretched here in Wales? Because preventing reoffending is already a very difficult task. Persistent reoffending rates are a testimony to all of that. But in the end, this superprison is not needed. There is no popular public clamour out there for it. It’s not welcome. Vote for the Plaid Cymru motion. Diolch yn fawr.