11. 10. Welsh Conservatives Debate: The Welsh Government’s National Strategy

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:50 pm on 27 September 2017.

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Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour 4:50, 27 September 2017

Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. There were a number of points that speakers raised that are important points that need to be addressed, and the challenges need to be recognised. The first thing that I have to say, of course, is that the document, ‘Prosperity for All’, is the basis on which Government decisions will be made. It will lead to more detail in due course. The economic action plan will be published by Christmas this year, if I can make that absolutely clear, and then, of course, we will be able to show what we are doing to further improve the lives of the people of Wales.

I have to say, there was an air of unreality, wasn’t there, around the Conservatives’ contributions? The Welsh budget has been cut by more than £1 billion. Yet, in the land of the Welsh Conservatives, the magic money tree sits and we’re able to spend as much money as we want. I accept that they are so inept that Janet Finch-Saunders has said that I have to take on board the issue of dealing with the UK Government, which I will do because they clearly cannot.

Where is the £1.67 billion that Northern Ireland had, breaching the Barnett formula? Not a peep from the Welsh Conservatives. [Interruption.] Not a peep from the Welsh Conservatives. So, yes, somebody has to speak for Wales. We know that it’s not the Welsh Conservatives.

I listened carefully to what Janet Finch-Saunders had to say about homelessness, but you cannot end homelessness by selling off public housing, which is exactly what they want to do. Their solution to homelessness is to sell off more houses to make people more homeless, and it ignores the effect of the bedroom tax on people. It ignores what’s happened with universal credit. I was in Brighton on the weekend, I know that they saw me there, I have never seen such homelessness. It struck me in Brighton that weekend how bad things were in Brighton and how many homeless people there were there, and that is as a result of policies pursued by her party.

I applaud her brass neck. She stands up and she talks about infrastructure. It was her party that scrapped electrification between Cardiff and Swansea. It’s her party that refuses to electrify the line along the north Wales coast. These are not devolved issues, they’re in the hands of the UK Government. Wales has 11 per cent of the railway track of England and Wales and it has 1.5 per cent of the investment. That is the reality of what the Tories do for Wales.

And where is the tidal lagoon? We said this yesterday: if you want to make a real difference to the lives of many people and improve the Welsh economy and create clean, green energy, we need to see the tidal lagoon move ahead. Why don’t you tell your colleagues this, rather than relying on me to do it? I’m happy to do it for you, but you clearly need lessons in how to influence your own party.

I listened carefully to what Paul Davies said. I don’t accept that rural Wales is forgotten, far from it. It’s hugely important that we deliver healthcare as close to people’s homes as possible. What I can never accept is that healthcare has to be in a position where it’s either local or better. People deserve access to the best healthcare wherever they live in Wales. That’s it from my perspective. If it can be delivered as locally as possible, fine. That’s exactly how it should be. But if people have to travel a little further to get better treatment with better outcomes, then that is something I don’t think we should be afraid of.

On the A40—we want to move ahead, of course, with the dualling of the A40. We recognise how important that is to his constituency. On broadband notspots, it’s difficult to give a timescale for particular communities. If he writes to me, I’d be more than happy to provide him with timescales for particular communities. He says there’s no investment at all. Well, look at the schools that have been built in the whole of the west of Wales. New schools being built, the reopening of Fishguard and Goodwick town station, for example, and better rail links into north Pembrokeshire—it’s not even devolved. It’s not even devolved and it’s something that we’ve spent money on in order to improve the lives of his own constituents.

Some of the other issues that have been raised, if I can deal with them in the time that I have: in terms of the economy, we know that unemployment now is routinely at the level of or lower than the UK average. That would have been unheard of back in the 1990s. We know that employment rates are higher than they were in the 1990s. We also know that GDP has gone up, but it has not increased by the same rate as some other parts of the UK. That much is true. Why? One of the reasons, of course, is we need to make sure that we continue to invest in skills. As people have more skills, so they can get better-paid jobs, so they can put more money into their pockets. That’s exactly what we’re doing. We have a commitment to have a 100,000 all-age apprenticeships that will give people the skills they need to earn more money but also enable us to answer the question that we always get from investors: ‘Have you got the skills we need to prosper in your country?’ Increasingly, we can say ‘yes’. They don’t come to Wales because of the money—Aston Martin made that clear—they come to Wales because the skills are here.