7. 7. UKIP Cymru Debate: Business Rates

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:22 pm on 11 October 2017.

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Photo of Mr Neil Hamilton Mr Neil Hamilton UKIP 5:22, 11 October 2017

Well, in the spirit of consensus in which I started my speech, I welcome Rhianon Passmore into my big tent, if that’s not too frightening and gruesome a prospect. But, yes, of course I acknowledge that the Government has applied several bits of sticking plaster to the existing system, but what we want is not sticking-plaster solutions. We want, for the longer term, at any rate, a solution that is going to deal with the fundamental flaws of this property-based system, which has long outlived its usefulness. The economy is very different from what it was in the early seventeenth century, and we have other forms of taxation that are related to ability to pay, and that is the road down which we should go if we want the Welsh economy to be revived. I keep saying this—that we’re at the bottom of the income scale for the nations and regions of the United Kingdom. If we want to change that, we’ve got to have more radical solutions here in Wales. Wales has always been a radical country, and what I find is so depressing and demoralising about this Labour Government is its utter lack of radicalism. Adam Price talked about its modesty. I remember that Margot Asquith said of her husband, Herbert Asquith, who was the Liberal Prime Minister a hundred years ago, his modesty amounts to deformity’ and I think that is true of this Labour Government as well. We need to combine our resources, I think, and try to arrive at a solution to this problem, which isn’t going to perhaps please everybody, but everybody is agreed upon the flaws of the present system, I’m sure even Labour Members—although I’m disappointed that not a single one of them has participated in this debate this afternoon. Everybody agrees that the system is flawed and everybody agrees on what the nature of those flaws are. But, nevertheless, nobody seems to think that there is a solution; it’s all too difficult. Well, Governments very often create difficulties. They’re not so good at solving them, but I do believe that, with a will, and goodwill, we can achieve this.

So, I’m grateful to everybody who has taken part in this debate today and the spirit in which they’ve made their speeches—Nick Ramsay, Adam Price and Michelle Brown—and there were even parts of the leader of the house’s speech with which I could agree. But my principal point is that, whatever good the Government has done, we do need to have a much more radical and long-term approach, and I don’t see that coming from this consultation document that is currently ongoing. So, I commend our motion to the house.