If that moves things on, then maybe that’s to the good after all. In supporting amendment 4, we don’t commend in any way the budget deals that have gone on. I’ve no idea what the trade-offs have been, so I’m not going to get involved in any of that.

We’ll be opposing amendment 5 really because, whilst we accept the need to reduce non-reusable and non-recyclable plastics—and in any significant waste reduction strategy that is needed—I’m not sure a tax is the best way. There are all sorts of practicalities. Now, this is not me just being awkward. I think banning some products is, frankly, a more coherent approach. Now, it may take a UK approach post Brexit to do that, but some materials are not really in our interests now in terms of their use in the food industry, particularly the takeaway food industry. But I think the problem with a tax is that it would have to be quite high to be effective and, if it’s fairly slight, given the convenience of polystyrene, I’m not sure it would put off customers. So, for that reason, I’m not sure it would be effective. There are also problems as polystyrene is technically recyclable. So, the definitions that you’d need in some of these things, I think, need a lot of attention as well. So, for that reason, we’re not going to support it.