Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:15 pm on 25 October 2017.
I thank the Cabinet Secretary for giving way. He makes the absolutely appropriate point. The tragedy of this—. There are human tragedies and we’re seeing them unfold now and it’s going to get a lot worse, but the governmental tragedy of this is that it has been trialled. The evidence has been clear, not for the last six weeks or six months, but in the years that this has been trialled from the very instigation of this, that the design was wrong, and they can make it right. I think, actually, the reflection of Members—including some Conservative MPs and including some on the benches here as well, I have to say—is the compassion that says, ‘Let’s make this policy work. Fix it at that end so that it genuinely makes it worth going to work and work will pay.’ It can be done and they should be doing it now, and they could do it.